Weathered Clan Chattan Tartan?

[TheOfficialBren]

Does anyone know if the Chattan tartan is available in weathered colours? Also, is it pronounced CHattan or is the "c" silent?

Thank you very much, folks.

[neloon]

Never heard the term "weathered". Do you mean "muted"/"reproduction" which should be available?
The CH is as in "church" though, of course, in Gaelic it's as in "loch".

[TheOfficialBren]

Yes! I believe that that is possibly what I mean, where the dyers use faded looking emulations of older dyes. Sometime it results in colours becoming transposed, i. E. Green becoming brown.

Thank you for the help with the pronounciation. Gaelic is a wonderful and beautiful language but very difficult to learn how to pronounce.

[Downunder Kilt]

There are only two mills weaving Clan Chattan tartan, both in the ancient colours. Lochcarron in 16oz and House of Edgar in 13oz and a smaller sett. Any other colour pallete is a special weave.

Weathered tartans is a term used by Lochcarron, reproduction by D C Dalgliesh and muted by House of Edgar

[OC Richard]

Weathered tartans is a term used by Lochcarron, reproduction by D C Dalgliesh and muted by House of Edgar

But be aware that Edgar's "muted" colour scheme is entirely different from the "weathered" / "reproduction" colour schemes.

Look here at the bottom

http://www.lindaclifford.com/MacDonald.html

In weathered/reproduction colours blue > grey, green > brown. In "muted" colours blue remains blue, green remains green.

BTW chattan is simply the word cat, same in English and Gaelic. But as the country when named is Eire and when used in the sense of "of Ireland" becomes hEireann, when cat is used in the sense of "of a cat" it becomes chattan. What I wonder is, is "chattan" the correct spelling? I would think it would be "chatann" but what do I know... it's not in my dictionaries.

[creagdhubh]

BTW chattan is simply the word cat, same in English and Gaelic. But as the country when named is Eire and when used in the sense of "of Ireland" becomes hEireann, when cat is used in the sense of "of a cat" it becomes chattan. What I wonder is, is "chattan" the correct spelling? I would think it would be "chatann" but what do I know... it's not in my dictionaries.

Yes, "Chattan" is one of the correct ways of spelling the name, though there are several versions and family interpretations of the spelling such as; Chatten, Catan, Catten, Cattan, Cattanach, Chaten, Chatan and Chatain. "Chatain" is typically seen as the Scottish Gaelic spelling. I am a member of the Clan Chattan Association, as well as a very active member of the Clan Macpherson Association.

'Creag Dhubh Clann Chatain!' The slogan or war cry of the Clan Macpherson in the days when the clansmen rallied to protect their homes from intruders. Today, it is used by members of the modern Clan Macpherson Association to show our solidarity on occasions when the spirit moves us. The war cry comes from the Scottish Gaelic meaning 'Black Rock of Clan Chattan.' Phonetically it is pronounced 'Cray-GOO Clan HAT-un.' Check out the link below.

http://www.clanchattan.org.uk/history.php

Cheers,

[Tobus]

Phonetically it is pronounced 'Cray-GOO Clan HAT-un.'

Gaelic pronunciation continues to elude me. Is the "dhubh", meaning "black", the same as used in "sgian dubh"? And if so, why is it pronounced "Goo", where sgian dubh is pronounced "Doo"? Is the addition of the first "h" in "dhubh" relevant to the difference in pronunciation and/or usage from "dubh"?

[creagdhubh]

Gaelic pronunciation continues to elude me. Is the "dhubh", meaning "black", the same as used in "sgian dubh"? And if so, why is it pronounced "Goo", where sgian dubh is pronounced "Doo"? Is the addition of the first "h" in "dhubh" relevant to the difference in pronunciation and/or usage from "dubh"?
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Yes, "dhubh," or "dubh," in Scottish Gaelic means "black." It is the same word in regards to the "dubh" in "sgian dubh," which translates to "black knife," due to the handle of the sgian dubh being traditionally made of bog oak (bog wood), which is very dark brown to black in colour. 'Cray-GOO' is how most Macphersons pronounce the first part of our slogan/war cry. Though, when it is said very fast, it sounds like 'Craig-DOO,' so it can also be a matter of perception. Just as is the case with most forms of dialect, some of the same words may be written or vocalised slightly different, with much of this dependent upon the region.

For example, the Macphersons in Badenoch may pronounce 'Creag Dhubh' as 'Cray-GOO,' and the Camerons in Lochaber may pronounce the same two words as 'Craig-DOO.' Both pronunciations are slightly different when heard, if the listener could even tell the difference, but the meaning is essentially the same. In this particular case, whether or not the 'h' is present at the beginning of the word 'dhubh,' really doesn't matter and certainly does not affect the pronunciation in any way. Like clan and family surnames, the slightly differenced spelling could certainly be up to the individual and/or family's discretion (as well as educational/literacy issues, which was rampant throughout much of the UK in centuries past), but it would never be altered to the extent where the original word is completely transformed, which would obviously change its meaning entirely.

[M. A. C. Newsome]

It could be woven in the weathered/reproduction as a custom weave. Contact me for details, if interested.

Reproduction and weathered refer to the same general color palette. It was introduced first as reproduction by D. C. Dalgliesh, who had the term trademarked. So other mills, including Lochcarron and House of Edgar, call the same color scheme "weathered." Apart from the minor color variations one expects from mill to mill, the two are equivalent.

Muted is a different color palette, closer to the so-called "ancient" colors than to the reproduction/weathered scheme, though darker than the ancient. It's used mostly by House of Edgar -- but HoE does offer some weathered tartans, as well.

Here's a mock-up of what the Chattan tartan in the reproduction colors might look like (although as it will be a custom weave, it is possible to tweak it for personal preferences).

[creagdhubh]

It could be woven in the weathered/reproduction as a custom weave. Contact me for details, if interested.

Reproduction and weathered refer to the same general color palette. It was introduced first as reproduction by D. C. Dalgliesh, who had the term trademarked. So other mills, including Lochcarron and House of Edgar, call the same color scheme "weathered." Apart from the minor color variations one expects from mill to mill, the two are equivalent.

Muted is a different color palette, closer to the so-called "ancient" colors than to the reproduction/weathered scheme, though darker than the ancient. It's used mostly by House of Edgar -- but HoE does offer some weathered tartans, as well.

Here's a mock-up of what the Chattan tartan in the reproduction colors might look like (although as it will be a custom weave, it is possible to tweak it for personal preferences).

Ya beat me to it, Matt!

Here was my response to the same question asked in another thread:

Yes, but you would have to approach D.C. Dalgliesh and get a custom weave. Lochcarron offers the Chattan tartan (Strome) in the 'ancient' colours only. However, the Chattan tartan is commerically available in both the 'modern' and 'ancient' colours. I was thinking of having a custom run done of the Chattan tartan in the reproduction (weathered) colours at some point, but not any time soon. My focus now is entirely on Macpherson tartans in reproduction and Wilson's of Bannockburn colours.

http://www.dcdalgliesh.co.uk/tartan_found.rpy?id=452154

My good mate and fellow Macpherson cousin, Bruce Macpherson of London, wearing the Chattan tartan in the 'modern' colours.


Cheers,