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[Bill aka Mole]

Related to the lady's apparal: I saw a lady yesterday wearing what would have appeared to be a very long shirt. The bottom hem was just below the knee and had a collar and about 5 buttons, almost like a henly shirt, just longer. Unfortunately, she was leaving the parking lot when I saw her and short of running towards her car like an idiot, there was no way to talk to her.

[Nighthawk]

Provided all is decent ie. bits are not being flashed, it matters not what a person wears. And there is no excuse for jamming a handheld radio between her legs to investigate either. Put yourself in her position kilties.

If the lady did have shorts on there isn't a problem and if the attendant couldn't see the shorts then he couldn't see anything else either so again, what's the problem? There shouldn't be a dress code on a plane. Me thinks these aviationists are a bit up themselves, it's a flying bus when all said and done.

As for saggy pants guy at the end of the story. I don't like them at all but I'm not offended by them. I wouldn't stop anyone wearing them either. No reason to eject someone from a flight. You might be able to see his underpants but you can't see the crack of his ar*e so again, so what?

JetBlue? I'll not be flying with them ever (not that it's likely I might have)...

The handheld radio bit... Yeah, if that happened, that was of course totally uncalled for. And if the lady did have shorts on, then what was her problem showing it? It goes from a simple question of dignity to outright defiance. Jet Blue is a privately owned airline, and as such, if you use it, you accept their rules. So long as those rules don't violate your privacy. Simply making sure a person is clothed decently doesn't violate anyone's privacy. On the subject of the saggy pants thing... Jet Blue is a privately owned company. If you don't like their dress code, fly with someone else!

[Dale Seago]

Unfortunately, she was leaving the parking lot when I saw her and short of running towards her car like an idiot, there was no way to talk to her.

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Did you want to ask her The Question?

[cryerelizabeth]

Some people just don't know how to dress appropriatly for the occasion

[WillieMacG]

Me thinks these aviationists are a bit up themselves, it's a flying bus when all said and done.

Exactly.

[English Bloke]

The handheld radio bit... Yeah, if that happened, that was of course totally uncalled for. And if the lady did have shorts on, then what was her problem showing it? It goes from a simple question of dignity to outright defiance. Jet Blue is a privately owned airline, and as such, if you use it, you accept their rules. So long as those rules don't violate your privacy. Simply making sure a person is clothed decently doesn't violate anyone's privacy. On the subject of the saggy pants thing... Jet Blue is a privately owned company. If you don't like their dress code, fly with someone else!

My emphasis in bold

You sound cross with me Nighthawk. I just might do that, and here's why.

Mmmmm... Private company providing a public service, It's not a private service...

Why should she have to lift her shirt to show her shorts? I don't understand that. If she had been wearing a skirt and was asked to lift that, the public would be rightly outraged and the attendant probably fired. I don't see the difference. If I was ever asked to lift my kilt to prove my under-crackers, the response would be sharp, probably two worded and starting and ending in "F". They would get more than defiance let me tell you!

I wouldn't fly with them now that I know that passenger harassment and physical assault are a company policy. I pick and choose who I give my money to. There are a couple of airlines and some other (not related to aviation) companies I will never deal with again having experienced their very poor customer service so I have no qualms about not flying with this lot. They don't do UK as far as I know so it's academic but hey, you never know.

Incidentally, I have no problem abiding by anybody's rules if those rules are clear at the onset. Does this private company advertise their dress code boldly so customers are fully aware of the conditions before they part with their cash, ie. clear statement to the effect:

"NO T-shirt dresses allowed onboard our aircraft" or similar words;

or is it tucked away in the tiny print so they can spring it on busy people who don't have time to read pages of T&C's but use it as an ar*e covering exercise when trouble looms? Does it also state:

"Persons failing to comply with our company policy on dress can expect to be accosted and manhandled by our flight attendants?"

I doubt it, I dunno and frankly I don't care. I just hate draconian, nit-pickyness without good reason. Nudity in public? Not to be tolerated. No nudity? No problem. It all smacks of corporate bullying to me, We have the power so we will exercise it...

From the evidence provided by the story, and assuming it is accurate, I think the attendant overstepped the mark. If this is found to be true, it is HE who should face the music and the passenger should be compensated...

[Mark Stephenson]

I think English Bloke makes some very good points. We should not have to give up fundamental civil liberties to step out into the public. In this case, there would be no difference in my mind if Jet Blue were to ask us to prove we were wearing underwear under our kilts. If one is not showing indecent amount of skin, then it's no one's business. Owning a private company (such as jet blue) does not give you the right to ask what is under your clothing.

[Finn]

I just deleted a polite, though scathing, anti-TSA rant before I posted. Let me leave it at there are some truly outstanding and professional officers doing a very difficult job, and it is unfortunate that some members of that organization have tarnished its reputation.

[Riverkilt]

I fly kilted and "comfortable" all the time. Never had a problem. In fact, flying Hawaiian not too long ago a lovely flight attendant showed me she too was flying "comfortable."

Go figure....

[longhuntr74]

To say that harrassment is a company policy is just plain silly...

If I have a choice, I'd choose JetBlue over every other airline in the US hands down! Their seats are wider and have more leg room. Their aircraft interiors are very nice with features you only find in first class in every other airline provided to ALL passengers. Their JFK terminal is the nicest airline terminal I've ever been in.

I'm not defending them over this incident...I wasn't there and don't know what happened or didn't. None of you were there either...so to make hasty judgements about an entire airline is a bit over the top, I believe. If the story about the radio is true...well yes she should win her lawsuit. But it's important to realize that it's the guy that did it and not the company that's to blame...Not that the company won't be held financially liable...they ARE legally responsible for the actions of their employees. I'm just pointing out the fact that I'm sure it's not company policy to put your handheld radio between a person's legs and demand to see up under their skirt.

On the other hand...I have personal bias against people that don't have proper upbringing to know what's acceptable wear in public and what's considered pajamas...or the decency to not intentionally show the entire public their underwear. I enjoy establishments where there is a dress code that enforces decency...so long as the dress code is clear, enforced fairly, etc.