"Jacobite" garb

[The Bear]

When it comes to box pleted kilts can it be done well with 6 yards of medium weight or does it have to be heavy weight?

[Ryan Ross]

When it comes to box pleted kilts can it be done well with 6 yards of medium weight or does it have to be heavy weight?

It can be done to ok effect with four yards of medium weight material, though heavy weight is much better; unless you're quite large, 6 yards is more than you need for an early style (begining in the 1790's) box pleated kilt (6 yard box pleated would be a Victorian style).

...and remember that tailored kilts are not Jacobite period correct.

[The Bear]

It can be done to ok effect with four yards of medium weight material, though heavy weight is much better; unless you're quite large, 6 yards is more than you need for an early style (begining in the 1790's) box pleated kilt (6 yard box pleated would be a Victorian style).

...and remember that tailored kilts are not Jacobite period correct.

I do have a bit of a belly! plus the "highland outfitters" in my area will not do 4-5 yard box pleated kilts for love nor money. They just refuse to do them. They will do 6 yards tho but only in heavy weight. Most highland outfiters in Scotland are stuck in the "it has to be 8-9 yards to be a proper kilt". Even when i explain in simple terms that im wanting an early kilt. Plus they say with medium weight it wont have the weight to give it a good swing. One even said it would be like a school girls skirt! bloody cheek.

[The Bear]

I do have a bit of a belly! plus the "highland outfitters" in my area will not do 4-5 yard box pleated kilts for love nor money. They just refuse to do them. They will do 6 yards tho but only in heavy weight. Most highland outfiters in Scotland are stuck in the "it has to be 8-9 yards to be a proper kilt". Even when i explain in simple terms that im wanting an early kilt. Plus they say with medium weight it wont have the weight to give it a good swing. One even said it would be like a school girls skirt! bloody cheek.

I should also point out that the outfit im going for is more of an 1790s-1800 outfit rather than a 1745 style.

[Ryan Ross]

I do have a bit of a belly! plus the "highland outfitters" in my area will not do 4-5 yard box pleated kilts for love nor money. They just refuse to do them. They will do 6 yards tho but only in heavy weight. Most highland outfiters in Scotland are stuck in the "it has to be 8-9 yards to be a proper kilt". Even when i explain in simple terms that im wanting an early kilt. Plus they say with medium weight it wont have the weight to give it a good swing. One even said it would be like a school girls skirt! bloody cheek.

Aye, I've heard the school girl skirt comment (mainly from Scots) before. Truth is, if I were you, I'd just have the thing made in the states and end up with what you actually want: four yards (I'd reccomend heavy weight, but 13 oz. will certainly get you by), non-overlapping box pleats. Matt Newsome, of the Scottish Tartans Museum and Newhouse Highland, makes the very finest, but there are several suppliers that can make a fine four yard kilt for you.

I should also point out that the outfit im going for is more of an 1790s-1800 outfit rather than a 1745 style.

Noted, good sir. Bare in mind, though, that for that specific period, unless you want to give a millitary impression, you'll probably want to have them pleat the kilt randomly, rather than to a stripe.

[The Bear]

Aye, I've heard the school girl skirt comment (mainly from Scots) before. Truth is, if I were you, I'd just have the thing made in the states and end up with what you actually want: four yards (I'd reccomend heavy weight, but 13 oz. will certainly get you by), non-overlapping box pleats. Matt Newsome, of the Scottish Tartans Museum and Newhouse Highland, makes the very finest, but there are several suppliers that can make a fine four yard kilt for you.



Noted, good sir. Bare in mind, though, that for that specific period, unless you want to give a millitary impression, you'll probably want to have them pleat the kilt randomly, rather than to a stripe.

I have seen the Newsome kilts and they look great but i have just been told a re-enactor friend is putting me onto someone over here that does the four yards. Most Scots are pretty open to all kinds of kilts and garb. Medieval,jacobite or later. Its the kilt makes who want to make sure there making £ 500 per kilt that are the problem.

I seen a couple of guys wearing the brown watch tartan! its the first time i have seen it in the flesh and i think its better than the black watch. Wouldnt mind getting it at some point. Would'nt wer it at the Culloden battlefield visitor center tho.

[Woodsheal]

18th C. philabegs are simple, untailored affairs: basically rectangles with a central pleated section! The box-pleats tacked in place at the waist, and no liner required. Not too hard to do yourself, but here are some for $100.00US:

http://www.just2tailors.com/index1.p...ander_Clothing

[Jock Scot]

--------- Would'nt wer it at the Culloden battlefield visitor center tho.

I am intrigued. Why, pray tell, would you not wear the Black/Brown Watch tartan there?

[davidg]

Its the kilt makes who want to make sure there making £ 500 per kilt that are the problem

I suspect you are being a little unfair there

Most retailers have a fixed product line and box pleated kilts simply do not appear in their lists. As they are not geared up for them, presumably because of little demand in Scotland, then they simply cannot provide what you want

You might have a better chance of success with a small independent kiltmaker but, to be honest, I doubt it. Most of us are not experienced in box kilts

The key to getting what you want would seem to me to be to use someone who regularly makes box pleated kilts. Matt obviously comes to mind but I believe there are others in North America that you could use. They would use the same tartan cloth we use here and would provide you with a far superior service than trying to get one made up by a Scottish retailer not experienced in them

[Joe Gondek]

Woodsheal
I was wondering if the 1770's Sleeved Waistcoat offered by Jason Townsend
would work for a common mans impression
http://jas-townsend.com/product_info...roducts_id=833

or is the styling way off for a light scottish jacket

I'm really enjoying all the information on this thread