Sett Size

[zazenkilter]

Sett size gives the formula that is made of thread count and colours used to make a tartan. once the formula is sett and registered, IT CAN NOT BE CHANGED and be what it was named as, to change the formula or sett, you will make a completely new tartan. the only way the set is changed is the ounce of the thread used to make the tartan. a 10 oz is smaller, therefore the tartan sett size is smaller then a 22 oz thread and so on...there is NO OTHER WAY TO change the sett size for a given named tartan. hope this helps you. You can always create a new tartan based on an original tartan, by change in the number of threads per colour and repeat the pattern, but if it is to close to the original tartan the Registry of Tartan, may not pass if for registration.

[davidlpope]

Sett size gives the formula that is made of thread count and colours used to make a tartan. once the formula is sett and registered, IT CAN NOT BE CHANGED and be what it was named as, to change the formula or sett, you will make a completely new tartan. the only way the set is changed is the ounce of the thread used to make the tartan. a 10 oz is smaller, therefore the tartan sett size is smaller then a 22 oz thread and so on...there is NO OTHER WAY TO change the sett size for a given named tartan. hope this helps you. You can always create a new tartan based on an original tartan, by change in the number of threads per colour and repeat the pattern, but if it is to close to the original tartan the Registry of Tartan, may not pass if for registration.

I think you're actually quite wrong about this. With a post count of 4 it might be wise to peruse past threads on the site and recognize the collected knowledge that is here. No one really likes a new know-it-all who hasn't established their bona fides yet. Oh yeah...welcome to XMarks.

[Paul Henry]

Sett size gives the formula that is made of thread count and colours used to make a tartan. once the formula is sett and registered, IT CAN NOT BE CHANGED and be what it was named as, to change the formula or sett, you will make a completely new tartan. the only way the set is changed is the ounce of the thread used to make the tartan. a 10 oz is smaller, therefore the tartan sett size is smaller then a 22 oz thread and so on...there is NO OTHER WAY TO change the sett size for a given named tartan. hope this helps you. You can always create a new tartan based on an original tartan, by change in the number of threads per colour and repeat the pattern, but if it is to close to the original tartan the Registry of Tartan, may not pass if for registration.

Yet again Gary you are posting misinformation, I am copying my post on the other thread , for your information and to alert others to you mistaken belief.

Gary , I afraid you are quite wrong with this, it is indeed very common for weavers to increase proportionally a thread count, and as David has said even sometime they can slightly alter the number of threads in a block of colour. It is exactly this that sometimes causes problems in identification of names ( as in a current thread by Barb).
But the bottom line is that a thread count IS a formula that can be increased to make extra large setts if required and still be called by the same name , and it does not affect the name ot any of the registration details.

And as David said please have a browse through the pages here before making blanket statements, I know you have been a tartan designer and kiltmaker, but we would still love to hear more about you, and of pictures of your kilts as well.

[zazenkilter]

Yes, do read David again, he said that some times when the thread count is changed to much IT IS HARD TO ID THE TARTAN.......
That was my point. when you change the thread count, you run the risk of change to the tartan as it was designed, and have in fact plagerised the tartan and make something that it not... a number of your mates have read what they please and not what was asked.
The question was not how do you redesign the sett, it was how to make it smaller, the wt of the thread used will do that with out changing the sett GO UP

[Paul Henry]

Yes, do read David again, he said that some times when the thread count is changed to much IT IS HARD TO ID THE TARTAN.......
That was my point. when you change the thread count, you run the risk of change to the tartan as it was designed, and have in fact plagerised the tartan and make something that it not... a number of your mates have read what they please and not what was asked.
The question was not how do you redesign the sett, it was how to make it smaller, the wt of the thread used will do that with out changing the sett GO UP

Gary, the post that you made was completely incorrect and misleading,

you said :Originally Posted by zazenkilter View Post
Sett size gives the formula that is made of thread count and colours used to make a tartan. once the formula is sett and registered, IT CAN NOT BE CHANGED and be what it was named as, to change the formula or sett, you will make a completely new tartan. the only way the set is changed is the ounce of the thread used to make the tartan. a 10 oz is smaller, therefore the tartan sett size is smaller then aa 22 oz thread and so on...there is NO OTHER WAY TO change the sett size for a given named tartan. hope this helps you. You can always create a new tartan based on an original tartan, by change in the number of threads per colour and repeat the pattern, but if it is to close to the original tartan the Registry of Tartan, may not pass if for registration.

It is that point which several of us have had an issue with, the threadcount is not a product of the size of thread used, it is independant of anythickness of thread, whether fine silk or heavy rope, as long as the count is followed, the "tartan" name remains the same and as registered, and whether or not the numbers or doubled ( or tripled or anythign greater) as long as the ratio is followed everything is still good