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    Re: Sett size??

    Quote Originally Posted by warrior View Post
    Okay, let's see if I got a grasp of thread count and sett size. I am going to use the tartan I have selected for my first kilt, MacLeod Red wr496.
    Thread count goes like this;

    B8 R2 B2 R4 B22 R4 B2 R2 Y2 R2 B2 R32 B16 R8 G8 R32 G22 R16 B8 R4 Y4

    Now the sett size for the above would be determined by the thickness of the individual thread times the number of total threads in the count, in this case 202.

    Now for the sake of guestimating my sett size I shall make the assumption that a single thread is somewhere around 1mm in thickness. This results in a sett of 202mm give or take dependant upon the tightness of the weave. 20cm is roughly 2/3 of the imperial foot so roughly eight inches more or less.

    Am I correct so far?

    Now on to enlarging or reducing the size of the sett. I see two possible approaches, one workable and one not.
    First one can increase the individual thread thickness which is actually an increase in thread diameter and weight. It seems this is a case of diminishing returns because as thread diameter goes up so does the per yard weight of the cloth. Your 16oz tank suddenly becomes a 32oz or greater with only fractional increases in sett width. To reduce the sett by reducing thread thickness has the opposite effect of reducing 16oz cloth to 8oz cloth. Not a workable solution for kilt material since our desired material weight is a fixed variable in this equation.
    The much simpler method would be the increase the actual width of each stripe within the sett and leave the threads alone. For instance to double the size of the above tartan above the weaver would just set up the following thread count.

    B16 R4 B4 R8 B44 R8 B4 R4 Y4 R4 B4 R64 B32 R16 G16 R64 G44 R32 B16 R8 Y8

    With the same 1mm thread size we get exactly double sett width of 404mm or roughly 16 inches. Of course by not thickening the thread the per yard weight of the cloth remains the same. As long as the original thread count is multiplied or divided by the same integer for each and every color the pattern will remain the same in all areas save proportion.

    So do I have my mind wrapped around the solution?
    Right. You can adjust the sett width of any tartan by multiplying all the individual threads by 1,2,3, etc.

    The other option is to slightly vary the individual thread counts by non-consistent factors. This will result in thread counts which are not consistent with the "official thread count", but it will not make a practical difference. Despite the emphasis often placed on thread counts recorded with the STA, Tartan Register, etc., it's the ORDER and general PROPORTION of stripes in a tartan design that make it recognizable as a specific tartan.

    For example, I recently had some Hunting MacMillan woven by Dalgliesh. In researching the thread count I would use for the run I compared the stock fabrics available from Lochcarron, HOE, Geoffery (Tailor) and Strathmore. NONE of the threadcounts for these specific fabrics was the same and NONE of them were the same as the "official" thread count recorded by the STA. What they did have in common was the order of the different colored stripes and their relative proportions- i.e. black stripe, yellow stripe, black stripe, broad blue stripe, narrow yellow stripe, medium blue stripe, narrow yellow stripe, etc., etc.





    What's a bit unexpected is that the same mill may use a different thread count for the same tartan in different weight material. Compare the different MacFarlane tartans in the photo below:







    Look closely at the center stripe pattern (black, red, white, green, white, red, black). This stripe series is quite narrow in the first kilt (ancient red clan tartan), but is much wider in the second (ancient green hunting tartan) kilt. Subtle differences in the proportions of the colored stripes, but not exactly the same. Yet, these first two kilts are made of Lochcarron fabric.
    Last edited by davidlpope; 6th November 11 at 08:21 PM.

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