Quote Originally Posted by davidg View Post
Yes, of course I did but I see no real similarity at all. Your jacket has a shawl collar with a set of decorative buttons on one lapel. On the painting I do not see lapels anywhere, what I see is a doublet that is open and has a collar similar to a Montrose, with a little gap at the throat. On one side I see buttonholes, on the other side I see five buttons that appear to be on the wrong face of the jacket and a sixth button that is on the correct face. That is quite bizarre




No, of course they don't. But like in the photograph the jacket is always made to look as though it could button up and either both sides would be decorated with buttons or one side buttoned, the other side button holed. I might be wrong but these simply do not look like lapels at all as there is no notch or attachment to the collar, looking more like an open doublet fastening at the neck with the facings falling back on each other. Unbutton the jacket from the photo and it would flap back to look identical, but with the buttons normally disappearing from view

Just opinions and we all see things differently
When one blows up the painting, the lapels are very obvious, leaving no doubt as to how the buttons are placed. Lapels do not have to attach to the collar, as you state.


The doublet belonging to my friend does not have shawl lapels. Take a very close look. Actually, one doesn't need to look all that closely.