Does anyone make this style coatee?

[JSFMACLJR]

Maybe. But also look at the number of buttons and, particularly, that the lowest button appears to be on the other side of the front which is quite odd in itself

To me it clearly looks like a jacket that has not been fastened by choice rather than by design but it would be impossible to button with the buttons where they are placed

It's merely the impresssion I get looking at the detail but I may well be wrong

Did you look at the buttons in the pic I posted? Exactly like the painting.

Buttons don't necessarily have to do up. Highlanders liked them for ornamentation, too.

[McMurdo]

Maybe. But also look at the number of buttons and, particularly, that the lowest button appears to be on the other side of the front which is quite odd in itself

To me it clearly looks like a jacket that has not been fastened by choice rather than by design but it would be impossible to button with the buttons where they are placed

It's merely the impresssion I get looking at the detail but I may well be wrong

I think the buttons on the lapels are simply for ornamentation. The jacket is I think not meant to button up at all. The buttons on the other side on the front look to me as if they are for the tashes, you do not see them on the other side because of the way the subject is posed.

[davidg]

Did you look at the buttons in the pic I posted? Exactly like the painting.

Yes, of course I did but I see no real similarity at all. Your jacket has a shawl collar with a set of decorative buttons on one lapel. On the painting I do not see lapels anywhere, what I see is a doublet that is open and has a collar similar to a Montrose, with a little gap at the throat. On one side I see buttonholes, on the other side I see five buttons that appear to be on the wrong face of the jacket and a sixth button that is on the correct face. That is quite bizarre

Buttons don't necessarily have to do up. Highlanders liked them for ornamentation, too.

No, of course they don't. But like in the photograph the jacket is always made to look as though it could button up and either both sides would be decorated with buttons or one side buttoned, the other side button holed. I might be wrong but these simply do not look like lapels at all as there is no notch or attachment to the collar, looking more like an open doublet fastening at the neck with the facings falling back on each other. Unbutton the jacket from the photo and it would flap back to look identical, but with the buttons normally disappearing from view

Just opinions and we all see things differently

[scotchmaster]

You are kind of a snooty one...

It looks nothing like your doublet, actually. The one in the painting has lapels.

[JSFMACLJR]

You are kind of a snooty one...

Well, I call it like I see it.

[JSFMACLJR]

Yes, of course I did but I see no real similarity at all. Your jacket has a shawl collar with a set of decorative buttons on one lapel. On the painting I do not see lapels anywhere, what I see is a doublet that is open and has a collar similar to a Montrose, with a little gap at the throat. On one side I see buttonholes, on the other side I see five buttons that appear to be on the wrong face of the jacket and a sixth button that is on the correct face. That is quite bizarre




No, of course they don't. But like in the photograph the jacket is always made to look as though it could button up and either both sides would be decorated with buttons or one side buttoned, the other side button holed. I might be wrong but these simply do not look like lapels at all as there is no notch or attachment to the collar, looking more like an open doublet fastening at the neck with the facings falling back on each other. Unbutton the jacket from the photo and it would flap back to look identical, but with the buttons normally disappearing from view

Just opinions and we all see things differently

When one blows up the painting, the lapels are very obvious, leaving no doubt as to how the buttons are placed. Lapels do not have to attach to the collar, as you state.


The doublet belonging to my friend does not have shawl lapels. Take a very close look. Actually, one doesn't need to look all that closely.

[CMcG]

I think JSFMACLJR had a good idea to blow the image up so we can see it better.

[Tobus]

I agree that what we are seeing are lapels, not simply the inside facing of the coat turned back. The buttons are clearly ornamental, as the jacket would be much too small to be fastened, especially at the bottom. The buttons do seem to be consistent down his right side, on the lapel as well as below it.

Also, I do not think this is a doublet, since there is no indication of a collar at all. We would see it if it had one. What I see, though, is a lapel that is not connected to anything, and it seems to just be flat around the neck, with his shirt collar being the only thing showing.

The length of this jacket also seems a lot shorter than most, which I really like.

Oh, and the epaulets come well past the shoulder seams, which is very different than most civilian versions. On his right shoulder, are we seeing the glare off of some sort of decoration on the epaulet?

[JSFMACLJR]

Also, I do not think this is a doublet, since there is no indication of a collar at all. We would see it if it had one. What I see, though, is a lapel that is not connected to anything, and it seems to just be flat around the neck, with his shirt collar being the only thing showing.

When you say this isn't a doublet because of the lack of collar, you are using a modern interpretation of the word "doublet". Most modern retailers use the word doublet to describe a coat that closes in the front and has a high collar. That wasn't always the case and to this day there are still people who use the word-- especially when referring to an evening coat-- without being too specific.

[Tobus]

Yeah, lack of a real definition doesn't help. But referring to the photos in this thread where others have compared this jacket to doublets that have collars and are meant to close (if even only at the top), this jacket just doesn't seem to be in the same category. I always see doublets in the Highland style having a rather military look to them, but this one looks more like a classic Highland civilian jacket... but with no visible collar and the interesting lapel style, amongst other unique parts.