Scotland's Shame

[Peter Crowe]

Jimmy, I applaud what the Scottish government are trying to do, and like most decent minded people (regardless of their faith or lack thereof) am appalled by religious sectarianism in Scotland or elsewhere.

I don't know about the St. Ninian's tartan, but I doubt that any bona fide symbol of Scotland (whether Presbyterian, Episcopalian, Roman Catholic, or other religion/denomination) should be cause for offence, especially in a tartan or kilted form.

As to the article in the link to the Sun regarding the scarf commemorating the visit of Pope Benedict XVI, it seems that an inexperienced Polis was a bit over zealous.

I am a wee bit concerned that this topic can stay within the rules of XMTS though.

[McClef]

I am a wee bit concerned that this topic can stay within the rules of XMTS though.

So am I. There has been a lot on Facebook that has blown things out of all proportion and we do not want that to happen here.

And it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Kilts in the Media section so moving to miscellaneous with the proviso that the thread could be closed at any time.

[creagdhubh]

So am I. There has been a lot on Facebook that has blown things out of all proportion and we do not want that to happen here.

And it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Kilts in the Media section so moving to miscellaneous with the proviso that the thread could be closed at any time.

Well put. Hopefully, all commentary will stay appropriate and decent. I have the utmost confidence in our MODS.

Cheers,

[Jimmy]

Indeed Jimmy, I can still get my supply of Caramel Wafers here in Massachusetts at the same store where I get lovat green kilt hose. Archie Tunnock had a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, the number plate was AT 12. My parents knew both Boyd and his late brother Tom. I was Tom Tunnock's paper boy (newspaper delivery boy) when I was 15 (30 years ago).

BTW I wasn't born in Bellshill maternity, I was born at Calderbank House in Baillieston, next to Calderpark Zoo (for which I got all the pelters about being born in a monkey cage ).

I never met old Archie but I have had cause to meet Boyd on a few occassions, a real gentleman and very generous to many organisations in the area.
I bet you got your tips in teacakes and caramel wafers.
We had a neighbour who used to work in the bakery and like all the workers they had the privelege of taking home caramel wafers that were not just right, she used to hand in a dozen of them every week, what a treat!

I had a friend who used to go sailing with Boyd on the Clyde, Boyd's yacht was called 'LEMARAC'

[Peter Crowe]

Jimmy, do you still live in Bellshill? My best pal Iain (sceptical about kilts and Rangers daft) married a lassie from up there and bought his house in the former SSHA scheme near the old maternity hospital. He works as a driver at the Tannochside transport depot for NLC.

[Jimmy]

Jimmy, do you still live in Bellshill? My best pal Iain (sceptical about kilts and Rangers daft) married a lassie from up there and bought his house in the former SSHA scheme near the old maternity hospital. He works as a driver at the Tannochside transport depot for NLC.

Peter, I live in Old Kilpatrick now for the last few years, I have relatives living in Bellshill and i am there frequently.
I know the housing estate on the former site of the maternity hospital and the council yard is still there just outside Bellshill on the road to Viewpark

[Peter Crowe]

Peter, I live in Old Kilpatrick now for the last few years, I have relatives living in Bellshill and i am there frequently.
I know the housing estate on the former site of the maternity hospital and the council yard is still there just outside Bellshill on the road to Viewpark

Latterly I lived in Firhill (the tenements on Murano Street overlooking the stadium) at the time John Lambie was the Jags manager. I had an old association with Hamilton Academicals (my childhood diddy team), as had Partick Thistle (ground-sharing) and John Lambie. While I was at Glasgow University as a mature student I started questioning things more deeply and no longer felt comfortable with what I was hearing around me at Ibrox (for the reasons underlying this thread as I had been a nominal and increasingly dubious Rangers supporter since primary school), I became a Partick Thistle FC season ticket holder my last year in Glasgow (2002/03).

[madmacs]

Now I do have to say that this is what came to mind when i read the title...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...nt_of_Scotland

[Peter Crowe]

Now I do have to say that this is what came to mind when i read the title...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...nt_of_Scotland

The term 'Scotland's Shame' was first coined in a speech by the composer James MacMillan, and subsequently became the title of a book of a collection of essays he contributed to some years ago. He was initially stung into public comment when his daughter was called an anti-Irish Roman Catholic epithet because of her school blazer by a bigoted male youth.

The book was a collection of essays by various academics, and cultural figures in Scotland edited by the Scottish and Irish Historian, Professor T.M. Devine on the subject of specifically anti-Irish Roman Catholic prejudice in modern Scottish society.

My wife (then fiancee) and I attended the book's launch at the Borders book store that used to be in Glasgow's Buchanan Street (about 10 years ago). Each perspective was different, based on the different experiences and/or observations of each contributor.

[Sheep In Wolf's Clothing]

I think the police might be vigilant after what happened last year when the Celtic Manager was attacked on the pitch. He also received death threats as did several prominent Celtic supporters. Celtic has also just been reprimanded for fans chanting sectarian songs during games. So it seems to be a touchy subject still. Though I think the Police officer did over react a little.

I listened to a podcast not too long ago from the BBC about this topic, and frankly I still don't understand hating people you don't know based solely on their religion.

My best friend is a Roman Catholic and sadly a Rangers supporter.I'm an atheist and a Celtic supporter..we get along just fine..except on Old Firm match days, when there is some heavy trash talking,but never has our religious views(or lack there of) ever come into the conversation!
YNWA
Sara
P.S. Tunnocks needs to make their tea cakes gluten free!!