A grant in honor and matriculation

**Chas** · 29th November 11, 10:47 AM

My understanding, is that you can do them both at the same time. Otherwise you would have two documents (the grant & the matriculation), which would be twice the price.

When it comes to the artwork stage, you don't have to have the Lord Lyon's painter; there are others. The standard artwork can leave a lot to be desired. John Duncan of Sketraw (a member here) won't display his grant, because it is so badly done. You can see where they painted the shield incorrectly and then touched it up to make it right.

John will be able to give you better advice, PM me if you want his email address.

Regards

Chas

**JSFMACLJR** · 29th November 11, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Chas

My understanding, is that you can do them both at the same time. Otherwise you would have two documents (the grant & the matriculation), which would be twice the price.

When it comes to the artwork stage, you don't have to have the Lord Lyon's painter; there are others. The standard artwork can leave a lot to be desired. John Duncan of Sketraw (a member here) won't display his grant, because it is so badly done. You can see where they painted the shield incorrectly and then touched it up to make it right.

John will be able to give you better advice, PM me if you want his email address.

Regards

Chas

One has certain leeway in the selection of Court Painter, but it might add significant time to the process.

**Gregmc** · 29th November 11, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Chas

My understanding, is that you can do them both at the same time. Otherwise you would have two documents (the grant & the matriculation), which would be twice the price.

When it comes to the artwork stage, you don't have to have the Lord Lyon's painter; there are others. The standard artwork can leave a lot to be desired. John Duncan of Sketraw (a member here) won't display his grant, because it is so badly done. You can see where they painted the shield incorrectly and then touched it up to make it right.

John will be able to give you better advice, PM me if you want his email address.

Regards

Chas

As for artwork; I say go with Anthony Wood, he's the best there is. Niel Bromley is a close second

**JSFMACLJR** · 30th November 11, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Gregmc

As for artwork; I say go with Anthony Wood, he's the best there is. Niel Bromley is a close second

Great artists, but more in the English style of heraldic painting.

**creagdhubh** · 30th November 11, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

Great artists, but more in the English style of heraldic painting.

Quite. And there is a difference in style and overall aesthetic. Roderick Gordon Macpherson is personally one of my favourites - and not just because he is a Macpherson, and an active member of the Clan Macpherson Association.

**Gregmc** · 30th November 11, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

Great artists, but more in the English style of heraldic painting.

They paint Scots arms as well. Who do you like?

**JSFMACLJR** · 30th November 11, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Gregmc

They paint Scots arms as well. Who so you like?

Oh, I'm not disputing that! One of the best heraldic artists IMHO is Andrew Jamieson, who is better known for his emblazonments of English arms but does excellent work with Scots arms. Of course Yvonne Holton, Dingwall Pursuivant of Arms and Herald Painter to the Court of the Lord Lyon, does fabulous work! I'm very partial to Patricia Bertram, but she may be in full retirement now. And then there is Mark Dennis, Ormond Pursuivant of Arms . Wonderful!

**Chas** · 1st December 11, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

Oh, I'm not disputing that! One of the best heraldic artists IMHO is Andrew Jamieson, who is better known for his emblazonments of English arms but does excellent work with Scots arms. Of course Yvonne Holton, Dingwall Pursuivant of Arms and Herald Painter to the Court of the Lord Lyon, does fabulous work! I'm very partial to Patricia Bertram, but she may be in full retirement now. And then there is Mark Dennis, Ormond Pursuivant of Arms . Wonderful!

It was because of Yvonne Holton's work that i made my original comment. All the fabulous work, of hers, that I have seen has been done privately, not as Herald Painter to the Lyon Court.

We tend to judge young children on their ability to cope with colouring books. It is considered important that they should be neat and be able to stay within the black lines. Why then would anybody draw an outline and then ignore it and paint over it and past it?

Often objects that look really good from 10 foot away don't bear scrutiny from 10 inches away.

Regards

Chas

**Gregmc** · 1st December 11, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

Oh, I'm not disputing that! One of the best heraldic artists IMHO is Andrew Jamieson, who is better known for his emblazonments of English arms but does excellent work with Scots arms. Of course Yvonne Holton, Dingwall Pursuivant of Arms and Herald Painter to the Court of the Lord Lyon, does fabulous work! I'm very partial to Patricia Bertram, but she may be in full retirement now. And then there is Mark Dennis, Ormond Pursuivant of Arms . Wonderful!

Yes, I will have to agree on the work of Stewart Jamieson for sure. What I like about both he and Anthony Wood in particular is their use of chiaroscuro. The depth that is captured is stunning. To me, it is the art work that has attracted me, and then my interest developed from there. Anthony Wood and his late wife Margaret autographed his Heraldic Art & Design; Shaw and Sons, 1996. He also included some extra facsimlies of some of his work and a very nice letter. So, I'm rather partial to him.