TV version of Braveheart?

[Ryan Ross]

Really? But he was basically portrayed as being an antagonist against Wallace...
Towards the end, doesn't Bruce fight for the English?

Reading up a bit might be a good idea.

Let's put it this way- The Bruce felt so guilty about some of his political jockeying in his earlier years that his last wish was to have his heart cut out and taken on cursade, as a form of atonement.

As someone who's so interested in Scotland, I'd think you'd be more interested in learning about it.

I hear you Ryan,

The film was historically anachronistic and as a Scot I found it a bit offensive on various levels. The Scots Nobles and knights were portrayed as hicks, and Wallace as a thirteenth century Che Guevara, not a medieval knight and vassal of his feudal superior John de Baliol.

That's just about the best brief description of that film that I've ever heard; the Che Guevara/hicks part is especially apt, though a shame.

[Blackrose87]

Reading up a bit might be a good idea.

Let's put it this way- The Bruce felt so guilty about some of his political jockeying in his earlier years that his last wish was to have his heart cut out and taken on cursade, as a form of atonement.

That may be, but it still doesn't change the fact that he was never at the Battle of Falkirk, so couldn't have fought there. We could put it that way instead

As I said, my Scottish history in school was geared more towards the Bruce, so that's what history was taught. Whether it was correct or incorrect is up to you I guess.

As someone who's so interested in Scotland, I'd think you'd be more interested in learning about it.

I can't see where you got the idea that I'm 'so interested' in Scotland. It's my home, so I suppose the local culture, traditions and issues do interest and affect me. I don't think that's a bad thing though? I'm only interested because it affects my life and work

[Brock63]

Since we are on the topic...what do you think of the movie Rob Roy? I actually enjoy this one more....

[Dale Seago]

Let's put it this way- The Bruce felt so guilty about some of his political jockeying in his earlier years that his last wish was to have his heart cut out and taken on cursade, as a form of atonement.

It's also rather ironic that the appellation "Braveheart" seems to have been applied originally not to Wallace, but to Bruce.

The legends of my house (Douglas) has it that as Sir James Douglas, who'd been BFFs with Bruce, was being overwhelmed by Moors at Teba in Spain, he threw the casket containing Bruce's heart ahead of him, crying out "Lead on brave heart as thou was ever wont to do. Douglas will follow."

[Blackrose87]

Since we are on the topic...what do you think of the movie Rob Roy? I actually enjoy this one more....

Me too. I think it's an overlooked film. Neeson is great in it in my opinion, but Braveheart seemed to steal attention away from it.

[Peter Crowe]

Since we are on the topic...what do you think of the movie Rob Roy? I actually enjoy this one more....

For a Hollywood movie on a Scottish historical theme, I think Rob Roy was very good. I understand that there is a requirement for some artistic license in making such a movie, but the producers of Rob Roy IMHO used such license in a manner that was faithful to the period and the historical characters involved (early 18th century).

[Blackrose87]

It's also rather ironic that the appellation "Braveheart" seems to have been applied originally not to Wallace, but to Bruce.

The legends of my house (Douglas) has it that as Sir James Douglas, who'd been BFFs with Bruce, was being overwhelmed by Moors at Teba in Spain, he threw the casket containing Bruce's heart ahead of him, crying out "Lead on brave heart as thou was ever wont to do. Douglas will follow."

I think Ryan Ross was saying that Bruce was just as he was portrayed in the Braveheart film, as a coward who betrayed Wallace.

I disagree completely with this image, but apparently I need to read more history

[Brock63]

"Do you know how fine you are to me, Mary MacGregor?"

only line I remember from film...saw it when first released.

[Dale Seago]

"Do you know how fine you are to me, Mary MacGregor?"

only line I remember from film...saw it when first released.

Loved that movie. And as you may have seen in my "Seaside Stroll" thread, I just had a kilt made by Matt Newsome in the same fabric originally woven for & worn by Liam Neeson in the film.

[Blackrose87]

Reading up a bit might be a good idea.

Let's put it this way- The Bruce felt so guilty about some of his political jockeying in his earlier years that his last wish was to have his heart cut out and taken on cursade, as a form of atonement.

Sorry, just re-read your comment. What meaning are you trying to get from Bruce's last wish?

That his guilt proves that he betrayed Wallace? I can't see how you are jumping to that conclusion.
Do you have any links to evidence that this did happen?

I am aware that Bruce did take different sides at times for his political gain, but as far as I'm aware, there is no evidence that he fought for the English at the Battle of Falkirk. Again, do you have evidence that he did?

From my own knowledge, I thought that the film portrayed Bruce wrongly in such a bad light. I take your opinion that he was guilty about his past, so must have done wrong, but I still cant agree with the image they gave him in the movie.

Of course, I'm more than happy to read any links you want to post, that prove he was as much of a villain as the film made him, that he did betray Wallace and that he fought for the English at Falkirk.
Until I at least see some evidence of this, then I'm sorry but I can't in any way agree with your views.