TV version of Braveheart?

[Dale Seago]

. . .the Che Guevara/hicks part is especially apt, though a shame.

Well, Bruce's BFF "the Good Sir James" Douglas seems to have fit well with the Che comparison, as he seems to have been a superb guerrilla fighter. Actually, I recall one historian referring to him in print as "a pathological little terrorist".

I get the idea that in his time the appellation "the Good" was used to refer to him in the same way that the often capricious and dangerous Sidhe were referred to aloud (lest they perhaps be invisibly listening) as "the Good Folk".

A few examples, such as the "Douglas Larder":

http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/hist...glaslarder.htm

[macwilkin]

Well, Bruce's BFF "the Good Sir James" Douglas seems to have fit well with the Che comparison, as he seems to have been a superb guerrilla fighter. Actually, I recall one historian referring to him in print as "a pathological little terrorist".

I get the idea that in his time the appellation "the Good" was used to refer to him in the same way that the often capricious and dangerous Sidhe were referred to aloud (lest they perhaps be invisibly listening) as "the Good Folk".

A few examples, such as the "Douglas Larder":

http://www.douglashistory.co.uk/hist...glaslarder.htm

Dale, if you can, please post the reference that comes from!

T.

[macwilkin]

I hear they were pretty nice guys.



Bwahahaha... Now we're talking!

Man, that would have been awesome... hit and run, harrass the foe at the rear, and all the rest. Actually, come to think of it, things might have actually started to look somewhat more like in the movie Braveheart. Save that Smuts would have undoubtedly ensured that Scottish independance was forthcoming sooner, and he would have later helped to establish an org that peacefully united the western European nations, resulting in an earlier onset of the IR.

If Jan Smuts had been operating in 13th century Scotland, we'd probably be living on Mars, by now.

Aye...Oubaas certainly was a man of many talents.

T.

[Dale Seago]

Dale, if you can, please post the reference that comes from!

T.

I may be misremembering the "little" part of the quote, though I don't think so. Unfortunately it was something I ran across perhaps 10-15 years ago; don't recall where, but the phrase impressed me.

The Douglas page I linked above, though, does conclude with,

After these three atacks on Douglas castle, James Douglas's reputation as a figure of terror was greatly enhanced. To the English he seemed to be able to appear from nowhere, wreak havoc and then disappear once again. The English dubbed him "the Black Douglas".

There actually was a Northern English lullaby:

"Hush ye, Hush ye, Dinnae fret ye. The Black Douglas will nae get ye."

[macwilkin]

I may be misremembering the "little" part of the quote, though I don't think so. Unfortunately it was something I ran across perhaps 10-15 years ago; don't recall where, but the phrase impressed me.

The Douglas page I linked above, though, does conclude with,

It's a great turn of the phrase, if nothing else!

T.

[Blackrose87]

By God, you are gravely mistaken, sir!

But you're also largely ignorant to the Bruce's real-life shortcomings, it would seem; I know more than a thing or two about how the Powers that Be like to teach history, during secondary school. I imagine that the Bruce was painted in his usual "Savior of Scotland" role, when you were in class? Yes?

Seeing that my secondary school education was not in Scotland, no this was not how he was painted.

And no, I know good and well that the Bruce never betrayed Wallace to the English, and I have no idea where you got and became obsessed with the idea that I thik that.

I merely got the idea from your original post to me.
I asserted that the Braveheart film portrayed Bruce as betraying Wallace to the English. I then stated that, as far as I was aware, this was incorrect.
You then told me I was wrong, and needed to educate myself more. ??
So what was I wrong about?

Listen pal, I don't know if your being serious or just trying to take the piss, but please read over your previous posts before contradicting yourself again.

[tundramanq]

...If it happens, it'll be TV so moderate your expectations and lower your standards. Wasn't there a Robin Hood series recently where they had to re-invent the whole thing so as to make it palatable for the video game generation? They're not concerned about whether those of us who care about historic accuracy are going to watch it...we are not the demographic that they want to capture.

Best

AA

Don't give the pin heads any ideas. I would hate to see Braveheart and especially Rob Roy out on X-Box. They are running out of new ideas of what to butcher - ahem, adapt - next.

[auld argonian]

Hey...those who do not study history are condemned to learn it from Hollywood.

Best

AA

[Burly Brute]

Ironically, the portrayal of Bruce was one of the more accurate parts of the film.

T.

I love his line in that movie where he is yelling at his father and screams, "I don't want to lose heart!"

Irony?

Anyhow, accurate or not, pretty decent acting.

I don't know if anyone has posted this series in a while, but I found it to be a pretty good watch:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hG01ZzlKxI

[Ryan Ross]

Seeing that my secondary school education was not in Scotland, no this was not how he was painted.



I merely got the idea from your original post to me.
I asserted that the Braveheart film portrayed Bruce as betraying Wallace to the English. I then stated that, as far as I was aware, this was incorrect.
You then told me I was wrong, and needed to educate myself more. ??
So what was I wrong about?

Listen pal, I don't know if your being serious or just trying to take the piss, but please read over your previous posts before contradicting yourself again.

I've not yet contradicted myself fo the first time, so it would be impossible for me to do it for a second time.

I've just reread all of my posts in this thread, as well as yours. Never once did I say that you were wrong in asserting that Wallace WAS NOT given to the English by Bruce. I did, however, suggest that if you wished to learn more about Scottish history, you might want to study up on it a bit. If you disagree with me here, then the burden of proof rests with you, not me.

But for my part, I'd like all chalked up to me just wanting to "take the p!ss", and no more said.

...other than that Jan Smuts avatars rule.