My arms in a clerical form.

[Chas]

Clergy often use a lozenge rather than a shield since is less martial.

I've seen a cartouche used for the clergy.

Regards

Chas

[Germankilter]

But St. Florian ( patron saint of Firefighters) is always retrayed as a soldier with an water pitcher. So yes it maybe opposites as a firefighter I think it works.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I've seen a cartouche used for the clergy.

Regards

Chas

No doubt; the cartouche is regularly used on the continent (and to a lesser extent, in Britain) to display one's arms; the lozenge is, however, a more specific shape and in the context of British heraldry, it is used to display the arms of a lady. An armiger may display his arms in any manner he wishes, and it would not surprise me in the least if, on the odd occasion, a clergyman's arms ended up on something other than a shield. I just don't think it is something "often" done.

[creagdhubh]

Not too keen on this variant, Harold...sorry mate. But I do agree with Scott, superb draftsmanship!

[Harold Cannon]

No worries Kyle!

It is really just a way to practice and get my skills up to speed.

[Mike_Oettle]

Nice artwork, Harold. But I have no idea what would be appropriate for a fire service chaplain, so I will reserve comment on that score.
The cartouche is chiefly used for clerical arms, rather than the lozenge, which is usually reserved for women. However, women nowadays often use the cartouche instead, or a shield like a male armiger.
And in England, certainly, many clerics bear their arms on shields.
A tradition that does pertain specifically to clerics is that they do not display a crest, and when some English clerics have obtained grants, they have had a crest granted in addition to their arms, so that their descendants may bear that crest.
MoR is correct with regard to Anglican and Episcopalian bishops in their use of the mitre (a mitre also ensigns the arms of a diocese), but Roman Catholic bishops are now forbidden to ensign their arms with mitres, and must use an appropriately coloured and knotted galero (green for an ordinary bishop, red for a cardinal, and quite a few other variations).
Regards,
Mike

[Thomas H]

Awesome , Harold great Job

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Nice artwork, Harold. But I have no idea what would be appropriate for a fire service chaplain, so I will reserve comment on that score.
The cartouche is chiefly used for clerical arms, rather than the lozenge, which is usually reserved for women. However, women nowadays often use the cartouche instead, or a shield like a male armiger.
And in England, certainly, many clerics bear their arms on shields.
A tradition that does pertain specifically to clerics is that they do not display a crest, and when some English clerics have obtained grants, they have had a crest granted in addition to their arms, so that their descendants may bear that crest.
MoR is correct with regard to Anglican and Episcopalian bishops in their use of the mitre (a mitre also ensigns the arms of a diocese), but Roman Catholic bishops are now forbidden to ensign their arms with mitres, and must use an appropriately coloured and knotted galero (green for an ordinary bishop, red for a cardinal, and quite a few other variations).
Regards,
Mike

Having granted arms to several RC Bishops, I can tell you that this rule is more honoured in the breech than the keeping! When granting arms to clerics of a variety of denominations (including a Rabbi) crests were always given and were usually depicted on a helmet. I know that A.C.Fox-Davies (and other writers) took a contrary view, but then they weren't dealing with the modern clergy!

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Nice artwork, Harold. But I have no idea what would be appropriate for a fire service chaplain, so I will reserve comment on that score.
The cartouche is chiefly used for clerical arms, rather than the lozenge, which is usually reserved for women. However, women nowadays often use the cartouche instead, or a shield like a male armiger.
And in England, certainly, many clerics bear their arms on shields.
A tradition that does pertain specifically to clerics is that they do not display a crest, and when some English clerics have obtained grants, they have had a crest granted in addition to their arms, so that their descendants may bear that crest.
MoR is correct with regard to Anglican and Episcopalian bishops in their use of the mitre (a mitre also ensigns the arms of a diocese), but Roman Catholic bishops are now forbidden to ensign their arms with mitres, and must use an appropriately coloured and knotted galero (green for an ordinary bishop, red for a cardinal, and quite a few other variations).
Regards,
Mike

Having granted arms to several RC Bishops, I can tell you that this rule is more honoured in the breech than the keeping! When granting arms to clerics of a variety of denominations (including a Rabbi) crests were always given and were usually depicted on a helmet. I know that A.C.Fox-Davies (and other writers) took a contrary view, but then they weren't dealing with the modern clergy!