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2nd September 13, 08:58 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by M. A. C. Newsome
The 5-button waistcoat is more commonly worn with an Argyle jacket; however in more recent times there has been a trend to wearing it with the more formal Prince Charlie, as well. Some view it as a fad. Whether it will remain in style will be determined by the test of time!

Given Matt's photo, above, the 5-button vest looks like a viable alternative. It certainly works better with a necktie (for those who just don't like a bow tie). Personally, I'd wear such a combination.
KEN CORMACK
Clan Buchanan
U.S. Coast Guard, Retired
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, USA
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2nd September 13, 10:44 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by unixken
Given Matt's photo, above, the 5-button vest looks like a viable alternative. It certainly works better with a necktie (for those who just don't like a bow tie). Personally, I'd wear such a combination.
In my opinion, the coatee does not lend itself to a five button waistcoat. You will not that the lapels of the coatee are cut low ( is this called the gore? ). The waistcoat should respect this, and by wearing a high buttoned waiscoat, the shirt front that should be showing is covered up. To my eye, something looks amiss.
I believe also that neckties with evening dress ( instead of bowties ) are a fad and look out of place.
Just my 2p's worth!
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2nd September 13, 10:46 AM
#3
Some take the high road and some take the low road. Who's in the gutter? MacLowlife
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2nd September 13, 11:12 AM
#4
I happen to like the 5 button with a rouche tie. I'd wear it.
Rondo
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2nd September 13, 11:25 AM
#5
 Originally Posted by MacLowlife
I think it's the GORGE.
Yes, exactly! Thank you!
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2nd September 13, 12:49 PM
#6
 Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR
In my opinion, the coatee does not lend itself to a five button waistcoat. You will not that the lapels of the coatee are cut low ( is this called the gore? ). The waistcoat should respect this, and by wearing a high buttoned waiscoat, the shirt front that should be showing is covered up. To my eye, something looks amiss.
I believe also that neckties with evening dress ( instead of bowties ) are a fad and look out of place.
Just my 2p's worth!
I agree.
I was always given to believe that the PC is a one trick pony, that is to say black tie only. And by black tie, I mean bow tie, low cut (3 button) waistcoat and worn in the evening only. Not with long tie (rouche or otherwise) and not with a high cut (5 button) waistcoat.
A total package and not a kit of parts to mix and match.
When I see someone wearing a PC or tuxedo in an 'experimental' fashion, my first thought is that they don't know how to wear it properly.
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2nd September 13, 02:25 PM
#7
Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.
Rondo
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2nd September 13, 04:01 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by rondo
Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.
Rondo
Absolutely. And if people always dressed the way they always had, we'd be naked. But this is one of those big dividing lines- how one wears the Prince Charlie coatee, if at all. Everyone else has been polite or at least discreet about the ruche-scrunchy tie, which I can't stand. I am going to go wash my eyes from having looked at it. On the other hand, for those that like it, I can only say "Go ahead..." The PC is a sharp looking jacket. It calls to mind 19th century dress military uniforms without looking "antique". As we have seen, different people have different ideas about how to wear it. But it is always a formal jacket.
I have read that in some quarters, the idea of wearing a smoking jacket or dinner jacket for dinner is regaining popularity- that people in some house parties actually dress for dinner. But the modern twist is that the gentlemen wear their velvet jackets without ties. I doubt I will ever be at such a table and my opinion will not affect those who will, but it seems silly to me. They manage to get all of the affectation and inconvenience with none of the glamour. They are entitled to do as they wish, too.
Last edited by MacLowlife; 2nd September 13 at 04:01 PM.
Some take the high road and some take the low road. Who's in the gutter? MacLowlife
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5th September 13, 07:01 AM
#9
 Originally Posted by rondo
Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.
Rondo
And the world is a better place for it, as long as we respect their right to do so.
Slainte...Bill
"Good judgement comes from experience, and experience
well, that comes from poor judgement."
A. A. Milne
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13th September 13, 05:47 PM
#10
one if the theories to fancy dress is that more fancy requires more work to show off pressed shirt, bow tie--charlie. not so bad shirt, tie- 5 button, argyle.
LitTrog: Bah. You guys with your "knowledge" and "talents." Always taking the legs out from under my ignorant nincompoopery.
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