Hail to the Chief of Clan Scott

[freddie]

There is a Clan Douglas to which the actual heir is the Alexander Douglas-Hamilton, 16th Duke of Hamilton who is Chief of Clan Hamilton and is not allowed to be the actual Douglas Chief since the Lord Lyon King of Arms requires him to assume the single name Douglas. I assume that if he were to do so then his Chieftainship of Clan Hamilton would be then affected.

I thought the Earl of Home, presently David Douglas-Home, had precedence over the Douglas-Hamilton line, as Elisabeth Countess of Home was the elder sister at the time of the death of the last Lord Douglas (her Father). Her younger sister married into the Hamilton family.

[TheOfficialBren]

Scott Weathered Green is one of the most gorgeous tartans ever created in my opinion. It's fabulous in every way.
:-D
Love all the Scott tartans.

[McClef]

I thought the Earl of Home, presently David Douglas-Home, had precedence over the Douglas-Hamilton line, as Elisabeth Countess of Home was the elder sister at the time of the death of the last Lord Douglas (her Father). Her younger sister married into the Hamilton family.

The father of David Douglas-Home was Alec Douglas-Home and his mother was Elizabeth Arlington, daughter of the Master of Eton College, who not a Douglas at all, and descended from the Spencer family. Alec Douglas-Home disclaimed his peerage in order to become Prime Minster and took a life peerage on his retirement which cannot be inherited. However, David was able to inherit his father's disclaimed peerage upon his death. He is the Clan Chief of Clan Home not Douglas. Even if one could establish precedence (my previous remarks were based upon the precedence of the Douglas-Hamiltons having been established by the Lord Lyon) the same reason given by the Lord Lyon would still hold true, ie a single name.

Elizabeth Arlington's sisters were Lavinia who married Sir Roger Mynors, academic and classical scholar, and Joan who married Rev. John Wilkes, Master in College and later House Master at Eton, Warden of Radley College and later vicar of Marlow. So neither marred into the Hamilton family.

While is was a student at St Andrews I had the honour of meeting both the then Sir Alec Douglas-Home and his wife then then Lady Douglas-Home.

[freddie]

The father of David Douglas-Home was Alec Douglas-Home and his mother was Elizabeth Arlington, daughter of the Master of Eton College, who not a Douglas at all, and descended from the Spencer family. Alec Douglas-Home disclaimed his peerage in order to become Prime Minster and took a life peerage on his retirement which cannot be inherited. However, David was able to inherit his father's disclaimed peerage upon his death. He is the Clan Chief of Clan Home not Douglas. Even if one could establish precedence (my previous remarks were based upon the precedence of the Douglas-Hamiltons having been established by the Lord Lyon) the same reason given by the Lord Lyon would still hold true, ie a single name.

Elizabeth Arlington's sisters were Lavinia who married Sir Roger Mynors, academic and classical scholar, and Joan who married Rev. John Wilkes, Master in College and later House Master at Eton, Warden of Radley College and later vicar of Marlow. So neither marred into the Hamilton family.

While is was a student at St Andrews I had the honour of meeting both the then Sir Alec Douglas-Home and his wife then then Lady Douglas-Home.

The Elisabeth (Elizabeth?) Countess of Home I refer to lived in the 1850's and her Father, the last Lord Douglas, died in 1856, (I think). I'll need to dust off my old clan history books and check it all out again.

[Sammac]

Nice to hear stuff about Clan Scott. My fathers maternal grandmother given name was Anne Scott. Have 2 Scott kilts, one red modern and the other green, really like the red one.

[McClef]

The Elisabeth (Elizabeth?) Countess of Home I refer to lived in the 1850's and her Father, the last Lord Douglas, died in 1856, (I think). I'll need to dust off my old clan history books and check it all out again.

You can appreciate the confusion by not putting dates as I naturally linked David Douglas-Home with his mother which led me to believe that there was a misapprehension as to facts.

She had been Countess of Home only briefly as her husband disclaimed the title to become PM but nevertheless this had been the case. She had several changes of title, firstly Miss Elizabeth Arlington, then Lady Dunglass (the courtesy title of her husband which meant he could sit in the House of Commons) then Countess of Home when he succeeded to the Peerage, then Lady Elizabeth Douglas-Home when he disclaimed his peerage and took a Knighthood and finally Lady Home of the Hirsel when he took a life peerage.

Let's see what your dusty clan books come up with now this has been cleared up.

[JonathanB]

She had been Countess of Home only briefly as her husband disclaimed the title to become PM but nevertheless this had been the case. She had several changes of title, firstly Miss Elizabeth Arlington, then Lady Dunglass (the courtesy title of her husband which meant he could sit in the House of Commons) then Countess of Home when he succeeded to the Peerage, then Lady Elizabeth Douglas-Home ...

Er, surely she'd only be Lady Elizabeth if she was the daughter of a duke, marquis or earl. As the wife of a knight, she was Lady Douglas-Home, or if you want to get the first name in, Elizabeth, Lady Douglas-Home.

[JonathanB]

Bang goes any left wing credentials I might have. Confusingly, she'd be Lady Home whether she was the wife of a marquis, earl, viscount or baron with the title Home, or a countess or baroness in her own right. She'd be Lady Douglas-Home whether she was the wife of a marquis etc with the title Douglas-Home, or a baronet or knight with the surname Douglas-Home.

[Eric D Scott]

Enjoy your new kilt! As a Scott I've always enjoyed our tartans. I wore a green Scott modern vest for my wedding as well the groomsmen had ties in the same tartan.

I'd love to own my Scott kilt either in Green or Red (or hey even dress white) but I'm lucky enough to be able to wear the MacGregor tartan with my pipe band which is very similar to the Scott (red).

Ha ha ha ... Okay I mean no disrespect to either clan. I respect both tartans equally. I've read once that no way the Scott tartan was ever influenced my the outlaw MacGregors ...

Maybe I should go to bed now....