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corbmonster A tartan among us 18th May 14, 02:50 PM
KSmedic Of those listed, I'm sure... 18th May 14, 04:00 PM
corbmonster I was at a ren faire and... 18th May 14, 04:13 PM
KSmedic Really, there's nothing wrong... 18th May 14, 04:45 PM
California Highlander True, one of my kilts is... 18th May 14, 08:36 PM
corbmonster Ha ha, the lady I was talking... 18th May 14, 08:41 PM
Geoff Withnell So many different units, pipe... 19th May 14, 04:53 AM
corbmonster I was in the US Navy for 5... 19th May 14, 07:47 AM
McMurdo Why not look into the US Navy... 19th May 14, 08:11 AM
Tomak I went through a similar,... 19th May 14, 08:23 AM
Mike_Oettle Corbmonster, since you have... 26th May 14, 02:33 PM
Steve Ashton To any member of this forum.... 26th May 14, 03:11 PM
KSmedic And in all honesty, I think... 26th May 14, 03:29 PM
kilttrip That is one beautiful tartan,... 3rd July 14, 05:10 PM
Steve Ashton I'm not sure what you mean by... 3rd July 14, 05:56 PM
Manxstralian It's also the "school tartan"... 4th July 14, 12:33 AM
corbmonster Because it isn't an option I... 19th May 14, 09:58 AM
corbmonster I think I've made up my mind... 19th May 14, 11:10 AM
Sir Didymous That's a good tartan. I wear... 26th May 14, 06:45 PM
mookien That's an excellent choice. ... 26th May 14, 07:02 PM
corbmonster Thanks everyone for the good... 27th May 14, 09:04 AM
DyerStraits My first kilt was a Scottish... 27th May 14, 11:53 AM
Grae A traditional tartan worn by... 16th July 14, 11:29 PM
DyerStraits I can attest to this, as my... 16th July 14, 11:57 PM
Ron Abbott Shepherd......the main tartan... 17th July 14, 04:22 AM
Mike_Oettle Thanks for those pictures,... 19th July 14, 01:20 PM
Mel1721L Without any known Scottish... 20th July 14, 02:43 AM
Mike_Oettle Go for it, Mel. I like the... 22nd July 14, 10:37 AM
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    Corbmonster, since you have made your selection, this is probably redundant, but since you asked: “Am I safe in assuming heritage of Scotland, and Scottish national are universal?” I thought I would venture a reply.
    The simple answer is that if a tartan is specifically for a clan, for a military unit or for some other corporate, you are not really supposed to wear it unless you belong. (Since there are no kilt police, you could go ahead and wear it anyway, but that is not answering your question.)
    But a great many tartans, particularly those with the word Scotland in their name, are fashion setts, not owned by any such organisation. (The exception is the one simply called Scotland, which is a family tartan.) This means that Spirit of Scotland, Scotland’s Heritage or even Scottish National are available for anyone to wear. (So far, at any rate, Scottish National has not been adopted by the Scottish Parliament or any other official body.)
    While Black Watch is associated with the Royal Regiment of Scotland, and with the Canadian regiment affiliated to it, it is a universal tartan. But even in its military use, it has been worn by other regiments (notably the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders in both Scotland and Canada). The Argylls wear it in muted shades (unlike the harsh modern dark blue and dark green of Black Watch regimental), and the muted version is also officially the tartan of Clan Campbell, as well as the hunting tartan of about half a dozen other clans.
    For this reason many folk who are not associated with one of the regiments or clans mentioned prefer to avoid it. But it is nonetheless acknowledged as a universal tartan, as is Royal Stewart, which has traditionally been regarded as the property of the British sovereign. Royal Stewart is also worn by military pipe bands with specific royal associations. But civilian pipe bands with no royal connections also wear it, as do many ordinary folk, whether they have it in kilt form or some other format.
    There are several other tartans that are either generally regarded as universal, or have been specified as such by their designers. But I would not recommend all of them to people wanting a universal tartan.
    I have just overheard a colleague saying: “You’ve got to know the rules before you can break them.” He was not talking of kilts or tartans, but it’s a principle to go by with regard to tartan, too.
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    Mike
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    To any member of this forum.

    Please keep in mind that X Marks has its own Tartan. It was designed specifically for X Marks and any member here may wear it with pride.

    Designed by our own Matt Newsome, it is registered as the world's first Tartan specifically for an internet group.

    This is your family Tartan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ashton View Post
    To any member of this forum.

    Please keep in mind that X Marks has its own Tartan. It was designed specifically for X Marks and any member here may wear it with pride.

    Designed by our own Matt Newsome, it is registered as the world's first Tartan specifically for an internet group.

    This is your family Tartan.
    And in all honesty, I think it's a particularly attractive tartan, to boot. Ultimately, you can wear whatever tartan you damn well please, and you're not likely to get a great deal of flack for it. I think I speak for most folks when I say that if you choose to wear a tartan specific to a clan, military service, or whatever, that you do so honorably. I wear either the Graham tartan, or the Marine Corps tartan. Both have great meaning to me, so I ask that what those tartans represent be respected. You can, of course, wear whatever you want, but please remember that those tartans symbolize a great deal to some of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ashton View Post
    To any member of this forum.

    Please keep in mind that X Marks has its own Tartan. It was designed specifically for X Marks and any member here may wear it with pride.

    Designed by our own Matt Newsome, it is registered as the world's first Tartan specifically for an internet group.

    This is your family Tartan.

    That is one beautiful tartan, Steve. I would love to have a kilt made from it. Any chance you could get a 'group rate' from a kiltmaker so any member who wanted one could get a discount?

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    I'm not sure what you mean by 'group rate'. The fabric I have on hand is priced at the same that it cost to have it woven plus only a 10% handling fee. It is already as inexpensive as I can make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_Oettle View Post
    While Black Watch is associated with the Royal Regiment of Scotland, and with the Canadian regiment affliliated to it, it is a regimental tartan. But even in its military use, it has been worn by other regiments (notably the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders in both Scotland and Canada).
    It's also the "school tartan" of Scotch College here in Melbourne, plus I saw a gaggle of schoolgirls the other day all in Black Watch skirts, so it's fair to say that outside Scotland it's fairly universal (I say "outside Scotland" because Jock Scot recently stated that within Scotland it's more appropriate for those who have served with the regiment). Having said that, I wore a Black Watch kilt in Scotland with no negative comments.

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