Two Telling comments? The Answer Perhaps?

[Calgacus]

I think Jock pretty much has it right, though I'd say it's not necessarily about looking like a tourist, it's slightly wider than that. I think it's about needing a reason.

The 'uniform' of the average Scot is pretty much the same as the rest of the world. T-shirt, blue jeans, trainers (sneakers) and given our climate, some form of sweater or jacket. Now if you ask me, none of that is particularly elegant or even comfortable, but it is safe. If you dress like that, you will not stand out. You will look like everyone else on the street or on the television. You don't have to think much about it, it's all readily available, and it's cheap (or expensive, if that's your preference).

Where I live, there are few tourists so a kilt wearer would probably not be taken for one, but an assumption would be made that there was a reason for them wearing a kilt. Common reasons might be as follows:-

They are attending an event such as a wedding, Burns supper, ceilidh, Highland Gathering, formal dinner, etc.
They are a member of a pipe band.
They are celebrating a sporting event.
They are making a cultural/political statement ("I'm a proud Scot").
They are mildly eccentric.

One might well get asked 'Why are you wearing a kilt?', but one is unlikely to get asked 'Why are you wearing jeans?'. One can see how, outside of the highlands at least, there is some justification in this. The kilt is not the traditional garb of the lowlander so if the kilt is worn it is generally for some sort of reason, and most likely one of those I listed above. Within the highlands, less so, though not much less so. I have seen the very occasional highlander in a kilt who looked genuinely like he was an everyday wearer, and I have known only one lowlander who was (and still is) an everyday wearer.

In the more touristy areas such as Edinburgh, Glasgow, Inverness, Fort William, etc. I could see that not looking like a tourist would be a consideration. I would not wear my kilt as day wear in Edinburgh for example for that very reason.

[OC Richard]

The 'uniform' of the average Scot is pretty much the same as the rest of the world. T-shirt, blue jeans, trainers (sneakers) and given our climate, some form of sweater or jacket.

Yes here you see that too, but far more common is t-shirt, cargo shorts, and sandals/thongs/zorries/flip-flops (terminology differs according to where you live, here all such things are usually called 'sandals') and if it's a bit chilly a hoodie. I remember looking around the room at our pipe band practice and everyone was dressed like that, the only blue jeans being worn by our only Scot!

an assumption would be made that there was a reason for them wearing a kilt. Common reasons might be as follows:-

They are attending an event such as a wedding, Burns supper, ceilidh, Highland Gathering, formal dinner, etc.
They are a member of a pipe band.
They are celebrating a sporting event.
They are making a cultural/political statement ("I'm a proud Scot").
They are mildly eccentric.

That should be a sticky! That's awesome.

Using my Western Wear analogy, if somebody walked around here (SoCal) in full cowboy kit (hat, shirt, buckle, jeans, boots) we would assume
-he's visiting from Texas
-he lives on a ranch
-he owns/rides horses

[CeilidhDoc]

They are attending an event such as a wedding, Burns supper, ceilidh, Highland Gathering, formal dinner, etc.
They are a member of a pipe band.
They are celebrating a sporting event.
They are making a cultural/political statement ("I'm a proud Scot").
They are mildly eccentric.




I have seen the very occasional highlander in a kilt who looked genuinely like he was an everyday wearer

I agree that this list should become a sticky, although I must say I lament that this is the all-encompassing list.

Now, about that last part:

I think that might be the real issue to tackle. When attending one of the events on the list, I think one can get away with being more elaborate with the kilt kit worn.

But if one is to be an everyday kilt wearer, then it would seem from the last comment (and I agree) that the person who does so pulls off a bit of a different "this was easy for me" vibe to the way they wear the kilt when not falling into one of the rigid categories on the list. I wonder if it would be possible to somehow capture how this is done and promote that both for Scots (born and raised and living in Scotland) AND for tourists. Because it seems that what bothers Scots about tourists in kilts is that they are garish and don't do it right. This may be a pipe dream, but what would be wrong with simply changing the mentality from "Look at that idiot tourist making a mockery of the kilt, lets roll our eyes and talk behind his back and think smug things..." to "Look at that tourist who has no clue what he is doing. We should set him straight." I know that changing mentalities is not easy, but it can be done if people care to make the change.

So is it possible to define exactly what makes one look like an eveyday kilt wearer? What differentiates this from the more typical outfit? Might be a worthwhile exercise, because a tourist (for instance) who can pull off that look might come across quite differently than one who behaves like the subject of the Aly MacRae song The Tartan Atrocity (If you haven't heard it and you are a member of this forum, it is worth a listen for the laugh).

Slàinte

[Jock Scot]

Interesting posts everyone, I still have not got my mind on an even keel over this new, for me, aspect.

Anyway CD, some time ago in a long running thread, there was a picture posted by someone and I used it for purely educational purposes. I can't remember exactly how many "faults" that I could spot in a blink of an eye, five I think, but then I asked the forum, well the ones reading the thread, to see if they could see what I could see. Again my imperfect memory is letting me down, but I don't think many spotted even one observation . Therein lies the problem I fear.

I quite accept that some "faults" are entirely a personal perception thing, but the exercise did illustrate pretty well that what we might see over here, is not what might be seen over there. It was a fun and useful exercise though! By the way, can anyone remember the thread that I am talking about?

[CeilidhDoc]

I would love to see that thread Jock!

And if we don't see it, teach us!

I know some students are unteachable, but this forum has lots of open eyes to read your comments and they are very much appreciated!

Slàinte!

[Jock Scot]

I would love to see that thread Jock!

And if we don't see it, teach us!

I know some students are unteachable, but this forum has lots of open eyes to read your comments and they are very much appreciated!



Slàinte!

Sigh, Sigh and thrice Sigh!

Several, of which I am but one, here have tried to advise and mostly they have been shouted down by the international(non Scots majority) and no longer venture/contribute to this website and frankly I don't blame them. I too have seriously considered taking a back seat on more than one occasion, but I am still here, although I am not at all sure why, sometimes. For how much longer though, will depend on matters beyond my control!

[CeilidhDoc]

It is also interesting to me that most seem to think that the Western / Cowboy wear example is a good one. I have to say it may be the closest readily recognizable analogy from American culture, but I still don't think it is a very good one.

The reason I say this is because there are no family pattern cowboy boots, as just one important difference. To me, that is a big difference. Of course, JMHO.

Slàinte!

And PS--I lived in Phoenix for 4 years, so I know what you mean!!

[S Mitchell]

It is also interesting to me that most seem to think that the Western / Cowboy wear example is a good one. I have to say it may be the closest readily recognizable analogy from American culture, but I still don't think it is a very good one.

The reason I say this is because there are no family pattern cowboy boots, as just one important difference. To me, that is a big difference. Of course, JMHO.

Slàinte!

And PS--I lived in Phoenix for 4 years, so I know what you mean!!

You're right, especially about the family patterns. It might be more correct to say it's 'the closest' analogy.

I think it's a useful analogy, though, primarily from the angle of Western attire being immediately recognizable as American. Although, other nations with traditions of ranching have their own versions of cowboy attire, of course.

[California Highlander]

I suppose adopting the 'Duncan look' (Monarch of the Glen) wouldn't be too bad, at least he wasn't covered in clan this, clan that and clan bloody everything else!

This is my general "look" when out. I just wear the kilt. No clan items, no bonnet, and a regular jacket if it's windy or raining, leather jacket for the pub, jumper/sweater if it's cold. I have never worn a button-front "western" style shirt as Duncan did in one episode of MotG, but other than that...it's easy and comfortable.

They are mildly eccentric.

folk generally regarded as eccentrics...

And I probably as seen as mildly eccentric.

[creagdhubh]

Whilst in Scotland, I wear Highland Dress in the Highlands where I have never been viewed as a tourist; but then again, perhaps that's simply because I don't act like one.