Two Telling comments? The Answer Perhaps?

**creagdhubh** · 16th July 14, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by Ron Abbott

punishment time....incarceration in Cluny's cage......

Oh dear!

Though, I will say that Ben Alder and Loch Arkaig are both quite beautiful!

**Ron Abbott** · 16th July 14, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by creagdhubh

Oh dear!

Though, I will say that Ben Alder and Loch Arkaig are both quite beautiful!

They are indeed. Perhaps even more so if you could find the treasure!
In fact, if interested in stuff about the 'cage', MacPherson and Charles Edward Stuart, the book, "Bonnie Prince Charlie" by Frank McLynn is a good read. Although the very first part is the usual stuff.....about his background and the 45, most of the book follows his travels around Scotland after Culloden.

**Calgacus** · 16th July 14, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by Ron Abbott

They are indeed. Perhaps even more so if you could find the treasure!
In fact, if interested in stuff about the 'cage', MacPherson and Charles Edward Stuart, the book, "Bonnie Prince Charlie" by Frank McLynn is a good read. Although the very first part is the usual stuff.....about his background and the 45, most of the book follows his travels around Scotland after Culloden.

Kyle, it may interest you (if you were not already aware) that Cluny's Cage might not be where it is commonly supposed to be. This article explains. It appears to be behind a paywall, though I previously accessed it without having to register somehow.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...-cage-1.490901

It describes how the cage may well lie on the opposite side of Loch Ericht, and there is some old map evidence to back the claims up, as you can see in this link-

http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400313#zoo...6997&layers=BT

Given the time, I'd like to have a wee explore of those crags and see if I can find it.

**creagdhubh** · 17th July 14, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Calgacus

Kyle, it may interest you (if you were not already aware) that Cluny's Cage might not be where it is commonly supposed to be. This article explains. It appears to be behind a paywall, though I previously accessed it without having to register somehow.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...-cage-1.490901

It describes how the cage may well lie on the opposite side of Loch Ericht, and there is some old map evidence to back the claims up, as you can see in this link-

http://maps.nls.uk/view/74400313#zoo...6997&layers=BT

Given the time, I'd like to have a wee explore of those crags and see if I can find it.

Very intriguing! Thank you for those links. Please let me know what you discover when you do venture forth.

Cheers,

**Calgacus** · 17th July 14, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by creagdhubh

Very intriguing! Thank you for those links. Please let me know what you discover when you do venture forth.

Cheers,

It's in a rather out of the way location from a hillwalking point of view and so would require a special visit so don't expect anything soon, but it has rather piqued my interest and will probably bother me until I actually go and have a look

**Calgacus** · 16th July 14, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by creagdhubh

Oh dear!

Though, I will say that Ben Alder and Loch Arkaig are both quite beautiful!

Indeed they are! Ben Alder is one of my favourite hills. It is relatively inaccessible, which makes climbing it all the more pleasurable.

**creagdhubh** · 16th July 14, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Calgacus

Indeed they are! Ben Alder is one of my favourite hills. It is relatively inaccessible, which makes climbing it all the more pleasurable.

Precisely!

**greybadger** · 18th July 14, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Calgacus

Indeed they are! Ben Alder is one of my favourite hills. It is relatively inaccessible, which makes climbing it all the more pleasurable.

The long way in also made skiing down the eastern gullies to Loch an Bhealaich Bheithe off Bel Adler even more worthwhile. Hell a slog in with the planks though!

**Steve Ashton** · 18th July 14, 03:33 PM

If I may gently return this thread to its original topic,

Jock Scot asked the question - "why don't the Scots wear the kilt daily?" Or, maybe; "why do the Scots wear the kilt only on special occasions?"

He received a few answers from his friends among which were - "I am not going to look like a tourist in my own country"

For the past 5 pages this thread has wandered all over the place. I may please re-direct this thread back onto the original topic.

**Ron Abbott** · 18th July 14, 03:48 PM

Without going through every post I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned so far, but other than the whole 'look like a tourist thing' there is also the cost factor.

Suit, shirt and tie, or jeans and whatever......works out a lot cheaper than kilt, sporran, belt, jacket, hose, flashes, sgian dubh, kiltpin. Even if you buy what I consider to be complete and utter tat....'the clan crest range'....it's still not cheap.

Add a change for each day or every few days and you're talking a fair bit of money.
I mentioned on another thread as well, that for many things I do not find the kilt comfortable. I am sure some will disagree. I hate wearing a kilt when driving and I don't like sitting down in it. All these damned pleats bunching up under your backside! And when driving, the sporran has to be moved to the side.

The kilt is however comfortable for so many other things, but better than trousers and a pair of boots or whatever? The jury is out on that one.