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28th August 14, 09:15 AM
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"Without going completely off topic, this is not the case. Tartan per se was never banned and all the surviving examples of Culloden era tartans are dyed with imported dyestuffs. The camouflage idea is very much a Victorian myth and not borne out by evidence or tactical practicalities."
It has been my understanding that it was the wearing of the tartan that was banned by the 1746 Act of Proscription
Abolition and Proscription of the Highland Dress 19 George II, Chap. 39, Sec. 17, 1746:
That from and after the first day of August, One thousand, seven hundred and forty-six, no man or boy within that part of Britain called Scotland, other than such as shall be employed as Officers and Soldiers in His Majesty's Forces, shall, on any pretext whatever, wear or put on the clothes commonly called Highland clothes (that is to say) the Plaid, Philabeg, or little Kilt, Trowse, Shoulder-belts, or any part whatever of what peculiarly belongs to the Highland Garb; and that no tartan or party-coloured plaid of stuff shall be used for Great Coats or upper coats, and if any such person shall presume after the said first day of August, to wear or put on the aforesaid garment or any part of them, every such person so offending ... For the first offence,shall be liable to be imprisoned for 6 months, and on the second offence, to be transported to any of His Majesty's plantations beyond the seas, there to remain for the space of seven years.
"Good judgement comes from experience, and experience
well, that comes from poor judgement."
A. A. Milne
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1st September 14, 02:35 AM
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 Originally Posted by Liam
"Without going completely off topic, this is not the case. Tartan per se was never banned and all the surviving examples of Culloden era tartans are dyed with imported dyestuffs. The camouflage idea is very much a Victorian myth and not borne out by evidence or tactical practicalities."
It has been my understanding that it was the wearing of the tartan that was banned by the 1746 Act of Proscription
Abolition and Proscription of the Highland Dress 19 George II, Chap. 39, Sec. 17, 1746:
That from and after the first day of August, One thousand, seven hundred and forty-six, no man or boy within that part of Britain called Scotland, other than such as shall be employed as Officers and Soldiers in His Majesty's Forces, shall, on any pretext whatever, wear or put on the clothes commonly called Highland clothes (that is to say) the Plaid, Philabeg, or little Kilt, Trowse, Shoulder-belts, or any part whatever of what peculiarly belongs to the Highland Garb; and that no tartan or party-coloured plaid of stuff shall be used for Great Coats or upper coats, and if any such person shall presume after the said first day of August, to wear or put on the aforesaid garment or any part of them, every such person so offending ... For the first offence,shall be liable to be imprisoned for 6 months, and on the second offence, to be transported to any of His Majesty's plantations beyond the seas, there to remain for the space of seven years.
So where does it say that tartan was banned? '....and that no tartan or party-coloured plaid of stuff shall be used for Great Coats or upper coats is not a ban on tartan but a particular use of tartan.
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1st September 14, 02:50 AM
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To get us back on topic, I watched shows 2, 3 & 4 yesterday afternoon and very much enjoyed it. I am continually amazed at how good a job they did capturing the book, and find the characters eerily close to those developed by the author, particularly Clare and Jamie. I also get a kick out of how they use the same actors for Frank and Jack Randall and the good maid Mrs Fitz. I always try and have a wee dram during the viewing, and often find myself laughing and pointing out tidbits to the wee lass, who was the one that got me interested in the book series. It is a tough series to read when yer a workin stiff, that's fer sure!
Slainte,
Frank
Ne Obliviscaris
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1st September 14, 07:00 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by figheadair
So where does it say that tartan was banned? '....and that no tartan or party-coloured plaid of stuff shall be used for Great Coats or upper coats is not a ban on tartan but a particular use of tartan.
If you re-read my post you will see that I said wearing of the tartan was banned, not tartan itself.
But back on topic, I watched episode 2 last evening.
"Good judgement comes from experience, and experience
well, that comes from poor judgement."
A. A. Milne
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1st September 14, 09:14 AM
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I watched episode 2 last night, and quite enjoyed it (although not all the commercials -- good grief, there are a lot! -- thanks goodness for the ability to record). Some of the previews of the next episode look like some minor deviation from the books, but I'm okay with that so long as the story line keeps close. The acting is good, the photography is quite special, and I did appreciate the piping.
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1st September 14, 10:15 AM
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 Originally Posted by Liam
If you re-read my post you will see that I said wearing of the tartan was banned, not tartan itself.
But back on topic, I watched episode 2 last evening.
Sorry, but I have to disagree. The wearing of tartan was not banned. Highland clothes and specifically some tartan clothes but not all.
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1st September 14, 11:06 AM
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 Originally Posted by Liam
If you re-read my post you will see that I said wearing of the tartan was banned, not tartan itself.
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 Originally Posted by figheadair
Sorry, but I have to disagree. The wearing of tartan was not banned. Highland clothes and specifically some tartan clothes but not all.
I think it's the time, again, we have to mention, that plaid is used differently in the UK and across the pond.
The plaid refers to the great kilt, not tartan fabric.
At least that was my understanding and it's one of the problems in intercontinental discussions that lead and have lead to arguements on this forum.
By the way, I enjoy the series very much.
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