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creagdhubh A STARZ Original Series From... 9th January 14, 08:02 AM
Cardinal Looks like fun! As a... 9th January 14, 09:41 AM
Guinness>water If you havent read the... 9th January 14, 10:41 AM
Tobus I have read all the books,... 9th January 14, 11:32 AM
creagdhubh June 10, 2014 (see the link... 9th January 14, 12:04 PM
Cengle54 I do hafta say I would not be... 9th August 14, 06:41 PM
StevieR Hmmm, I am not familiar with... 9th January 14, 11:37 AM
creagdhubh Sure thing, Stevie! :) ... 9th January 14, 12:06 PM
McMathTX I've read all the books and... 9th January 14, 04:38 PM
Nathan Diana Gabaldon did a book... 9th January 14, 04:42 PM
Highlander31 My wife has enjoyed reading... 9th January 14, 05:31 PM
ScandiScot I am a HUGE fan of the series... 19th February 14, 06:21 PM
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Jack Daw I've seen the first two... 22nd August 14, 06:15 AM
McMathTX The author responds quite... 10th January 14, 03:02 PM
MacGumerait Kyle , this new series of... 10th January 14, 01:23 AM
Farmer Jones I have read all of the books,... 10th January 14, 04:36 AM
MonkeyRogue I am looking forward to... 10th January 14, 01:48 PM
figheadair I've come somewhat late to... 22nd August 14, 02:58 AM
Carlo figheadair, as always very... 22nd August 14, 03:12 AM
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Liam "Without going completely off... 28th August 14, 09:15 AM
figheadair So where does it say that... 1st September 14, 02:35 AM
frank_a To get us back on topic, I... 1st September 14, 02:50 AM
Liam If you re-read my post you... 1st September 14, 07:00 AM
Terry1948 I watched episode 2 last... 1st September 14, 09:14 AM
figheadair Sorry, but I have to... 1st September 14, 10:15 AM
Carlo I think it's the time, again,... 1st September 14, 11:06 AM
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    "Without going completely off topic, this is not the case. Tartan per se was never banned and all the surviving examples of Culloden era tartans are dyed with imported dyestuffs. The camouflage idea is very much a Victorian myth and not borne out by evidence or tactical practicalities."

    It has been my understanding that it was the wearing of the tartan that was banned by the 1746 Act of Proscription

    Abolition and Proscription of the Highland Dress 19 George II, Chap. 39, Sec. 17, 1746:
    That from and after the first day of August, One thousand, seven hundred and forty-six, no man or boy within that part of Britain called Scotland, other than such as shall be employed as Officers and Soldiers in His Majesty's Forces, shall, on any pretext whatever, wear or put on the clothes commonly called Highland clothes (that is to say) the Plaid, Philabeg, or little Kilt, Trowse, Shoulder-belts, or any part whatever of what peculiarly belongs to the Highland Garb; and that no tartan or party-coloured plaid of stuff shall be used for Great Coats or upper coats, and if any such person shall presume after the said first day of August, to wear or put on the aforesaid garment or any part of them, every such person so offending ... For the first offence,shall be liable to be imprisoned for 6 months, and on the second offence, to be transported to any of His Majesty's plantations beyond the seas, there to remain for the space of seven years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam View Post
    "Without going completely off topic, this is not the case. Tartan per se was never banned and all the surviving examples of Culloden era tartans are dyed with imported dyestuffs. The camouflage idea is very much a Victorian myth and not borne out by evidence or tactical practicalities."

    It has been my understanding that it was the wearing of the tartan that was banned by the 1746 Act of Proscription

    Abolition and Proscription of the Highland Dress 19 George II, Chap. 39, Sec. 17, 1746:
    That from and after the first day of August, One thousand, seven hundred and forty-six, no man or boy within that part of Britain called Scotland, other than such as shall be employed as Officers and Soldiers in His Majesty's Forces, shall, on any pretext whatever, wear or put on the clothes commonly called Highland clothes (that is to say) the Plaid, Philabeg, or little Kilt, Trowse, Shoulder-belts, or any part whatever of what peculiarly belongs to the Highland Garb; and that no tartan or party-coloured plaid of stuff shall be used for Great Coats or upper coats, and if any such person shall presume after the said first day of August, to wear or put on the aforesaid garment or any part of them, every such person so offending ... For the first offence,shall be liable to be imprisoned for 6 months, and on the second offence, to be transported to any of His Majesty's plantations beyond the seas, there to remain for the space of seven years.
    So where does it say that tartan was banned? '....and that no tartan or party-coloured plaid of stuff shall be used for Great Coats or upper coats is not a ban on tartan but a particular use of tartan.

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    To get us back on topic, I watched shows 2, 3 & 4 yesterday afternoon and very much enjoyed it. I am continually amazed at how good a job they did capturing the book, and find the characters eerily close to those developed by the author, particularly Clare and Jamie. I also get a kick out of how they use the same actors for Frank and Jack Randall and the good maid Mrs Fitz. I always try and have a wee dram during the viewing, and often find myself laughing and pointing out tidbits to the wee lass, who was the one that got me interested in the book series. It is a tough series to read when yer a workin stiff, that's fer sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    So where does it say that tartan was banned? '....and that no tartan or party-coloured plaid of stuff shall be used for Great Coats or upper coats is not a ban on tartan but a particular use of tartan.
    If you re-read my post you will see that I said wearing of the tartan was banned, not tartan itself.

    But back on topic, I watched episode 2 last evening.
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    I watched episode 2 last night, and quite enjoyed it (although not all the commercials -- good grief, there are a lot! -- thanks goodness for the ability to record). Some of the previews of the next episode look like some minor deviation from the books, but I'm okay with that so long as the story line keeps close. The acting is good, the photography is quite special, and I did appreciate the piping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam View Post
    If you re-read my post you will see that I said wearing of the tartan was banned, not tartan itself.

    But back on topic, I watched episode 2 last evening.
    Sorry, but I have to disagree. The wearing of tartan was not banned. Highland clothes and specifically some tartan clothes but not all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam View Post
    If you re-read my post you will see that I said wearing of the tartan was banned, not tartan itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    Sorry, but I have to disagree. The wearing of tartan was not banned. Highland clothes and specifically some tartan clothes but not all.
    I think it's the time, again, we have to mention, that plaid is used differently in the UK and across the pond.
    The plaid refers to the great kilt, not tartan fabric.

    At least that was my understanding and it's one of the problems in intercontinental discussions that lead and have lead to arguements on this forum.

    By the way, I enjoy the series very much.

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