Scott Green Modern

[The Wizard of BC]

Ah, the name game. Or how kiltmakers keep themselves entertained for hours.

There are a few Tartans listed under the name Scott. What many people, and at least one weaving company, call Scott Red is actually listed as Scott, 1842. On the Scottish Tartans Authority it is #1005 There are two other common Tartans listed under the name Scott. They are Scott, Hunting #1546 and Scott, Green #825.

Because of the way Tartans are listed - Alphabetically by name first - I have been writing Tartan names - Scott, 1842, modern version.
Even though wrong as Barb points out, it has been sort of accepted that we list Tartans by the name first. Scott, then the identifier, then the version. But somehow we have dropped the commas and the word 'version'.
But not everyone has found the Scottish Tartans Authority or the Scottish Register of Tartans in their Google search so don't know that there is more than one Scott Tartan. They usually walk into my shop and say something like "I would like my kilt made in the Scott Tartan". Then the fun begins.

The color version of Tartans has also caused all sorts of confusion. Many people, not in the kilt world, would believe that using the words modern or ancient would refer to the age of the Tartan not the color. I see this all the time in the shop. The assumption that an ancient Tartan would be older and therefore the original or 'correct' one. So the poor customer walks into my shop and says "I would like the old Scott Tartan".

[Liam]

Steve's method of using commas is perfectly acceptable if I recall my grade school grammar. So would this I think: Scott tartan - 1842 -weathered, or Scott tartan/1842/weathered in our modern age.

[The Wizard of BC]

But that kills all the fun.

We get the customer who comes in and is adamant that their name is Thompson or Thomson. They are positive that their spelling is the right one and want 'their' Tartan.

And don't get us started on the whole Mac vs Mc thing. We just break out the popcorn for that show.

[Barb T]

Steve's method of using commas is perfectly acceptable if I recall my grade school grammar. So would this I think: Scott tartan - 1842 -weathered, or Scott tartan/1842/weathered in our modern age.

I totally agree - that would be grammatically correct. And that was my point initially - it should either be Modern Green Scott or Scott, Modern Green or Scott, Green, Modern. The latter two are fine for lists, indexes, or stand-alone names (e.g., in a header), but they are not correct for a sentence, either written or in conversation, where the adjectives should come first as modifies of the noun.

[Liam]

I totally agree - that would be grammatically correct. And that was my point initially - it should either be Modern Green Scott or Scott, Modern Green or Scott, Green, Modern. The latter two are fine for lists, indexes, or stand-alone names (e.g., in a header), but they are not correct for a sentence, either written or in conversation, where the adjectives should come first as modifies of the noun.

Actually, Barb, in conversation if asked what my tartan was, I would likely reply: "It is the 1842 version of the Scott tartan in modern colours."
Although I might even omit the "in modern colour" as this is the most common.
Cheers....

[Riverkilt]

Pretty rumpled. Wore it down the Grand Canyon in 2013.



Unrumpled and new I believe when this pic was taken.

Hope that helps a little. Its a 5 yarder, but close. Got it from Rocky

[davidlpope]

Many people, not in the kilt world, would believe that using the words modern or ancient would refer to the age of the Tartan not the color. I see this all the time in the shop. The assumption that an ancient Tartan would be older and therefore the original or 'correct' one. So the poor customer walks into my shop and says "I would like the old Scott Tartan".

Except for those cases where "old" or "ancient" refer to the particular tartan being older than other clan tartans (e.g. Old Buchanan, Ancient MacMillan, etc.).

Within my own clan I've been advocating that we refer to the green, burgundy, and yellow tartan as "MacMillan Old Sett" to avoid confusion with the color schemes.