Some Victorian tartans for Welsh names

**KiltedKnome** · 24th October 17, 06:06 AM

Is the thread count of the Williams tartan accessible?

**tripleblessed** · 24th October 17, 07:07 AM

Is there a site where we can see the rest? More than curiosity; a couple are family lines. My Hughes came from Kingoldrum. Thomsons not yet
known for sure, but still interesting. I'm sure none are available.

**figheadair** · 24th October 17, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by tripleblessed

Is there a site where we can see the rest? More than curiosity; a couple are family lines. My Hughes came from Kingoldrum. Thomsons not yet
known for sure, but still interesting. I'm sure none are available.

Not there isn't, I was sharing some research I recently did. You're righ, none are currently woven; but they could be if there was sufficient interest.

**figheadair** · 24th October 17, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by KiltedKnome

Is the thread count of the Williams tartan accessible?

Forgive me for asking but why would you want it?

**KiltedKnome** · 24th October 17, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by figheadair

Forgive me for asking but why would you want it?

If permitted (patented in 1800's ....still restricted?), I would like to weave it. My last name is Williams (my grandfather's family moved from Wales to Barbados in the early 1800s). I have a scarf in the Williams tartan from the Welsh Tartan Centre, but I have never been fond of the colours, pattern.

**figheadair** · 24th October 17, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by KiltedKnome

If permitted (patented in 1800's ....still restricted?), I would like to weave it. My last name is Williams (my grandfather's family moved from Wales to Barbados in the early 1800s). I have a scarf in the Williams tartan from the Welsh Tartan Centre, but I have never been fond of the colours, pattern.

If you're a weaver and it's for personal use then I'm happy to share. Email me info@scottishtartans.co.uk

**LKM** · 26th October 17, 07:26 AM

I have seen several tartans from Wales that predate the Welsh Tartan Center by a few hundred years, most of these appear to be fashion tartans without a family connection implied with them. Many of the known welsh artifact tartans have been named for the earliest known person who owned them, and most were not registered or listed anywhere until recently. There are numerous pictures from the Victorian era that show tartan scarves, waistcoats, aprons, and shawls in all parts of Wales.

Some, clearly not all, of the tartans are listed at https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/ yet you will need to search by name for the tartans.

**figheadair** · 26th October 17, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by LKM

I have seen several tartans from Wales that predate the Welsh Tartan Center by a few hundred years, most of these appear to be fashion tartans without a family connection implied with them. Many of the known welsh artifact tartans have been named for the earliest known person who owned them, and most were not registered or listed anywhere until recently. There are numerous pictures from the Victorian era that show tartan scarves, waistcoats, aprons, and shawls in all parts of Wales.

Some, clearly not all, of the tartans are listed at https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/ yet you will need to search by name for the tartans.

By a 100-150 years (mid-Victorian) then yes but nothing much before then as far as I know.