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25th January 18, 08:46 AM
#11
 Originally Posted by Jags
That’s what I was told and it did come with an ORs kilt. I’ve enquired elsewhere just in case my source is contradicted. He is ex-QOH, not Cameron Highlanders but that’s what he reckoned.
The problem is the cantle of Your sporran is Seaforth pattern and never could be worn by Camerons...
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25th January 18, 09:36 AM
#12
Indeed
My thoughts exactly. The closest I’ve seen is the sporran of an Officer in the QOH. As previously posted, Seaforth pattern with new post amalgamation badge. My sporran has never been tinkered with, the Cameron badge is original to the cantle. As I understood it, after amalgamation, the regiment wore MacKenzie tartan for all but very senior ranks. My kilt is Cameron which wouldn’t have been worn by QOH ORs.
 
Originally Posted by blackwatch70
The problem is the cantle of Your sporran is Seaforth pattern and never could be worn by Camerons...
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25th January 18, 04:55 PM
#13
Pattern confusion
Even more confusingly, the pattern is actually closer to that of the Gordon Highlanders than the Seaforths. The engraving is almost identical to the former.
Originally Posted by blackwatch70
The problem is the cantle of Your sporran is Seaforth pattern and never could be worn by Camerons...
Last edited by Jags; 27th January 18 at 04:59 PM.
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26th January 18, 03:38 AM
#14
Originally Posted by Jags
yes , it is even more close to Gordons officers pattern cantle  ...
So I could imagine that owner of this sporran made this "frankenstein sporran" to remember his service in Queen Own Cameron or Queen Own Highlanders (Seaforth and Camerons)...
It's definitely not issued sporran.
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26th January 18, 03:43 AM
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Or is it?
Today I found this image. It clearly shows the very same sporran in use circa 1896. What rank is the soldier wearing it?
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Originally Posted by blackwatch70
yes , it is even more close to Gordons officers pattern cantle ...
So I could imagine that owner of this sporran made this "frankenstein sporran" to remember his service in Queen Own Cameron or Queen Own Highlanders (Seaforth and Camerons)...
It's definitely not issued sporran.
Last edited by Jags; 26th January 18 at 03:44 AM.
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26th January 18, 03:48 AM
#16
No, sorry but You are wrong.
on your picture the typical Cameron Highlanders OR's sporran with black leather cantle and black leather tassels caps, as worn circa 1860s - 1961.
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26th January 18, 04:46 AM
#17
I’m sure I am wrong! Which bit in particular are you referring to? The image of the soldiers might not be clear but the chap on the left is definitely wearing a black sporran with metal cantle, not with black leather as in your last picture. Can you clarify please? Thanks.
Originally Posted by blackwatch70
No, sorry but You are wrong.
on your picture the typical Cameron Highlanders OR's sporran with black leather cantle and black leather tassels caps, as worn circa 1860s - 1961.
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26th January 18, 05:12 AM
#18
Originally Posted by Jags
I’m sure I am wrong! Which bit in particular are you referring to? The image of the soldiers might not be clear but the chap on the left is definitely wearing a black sporran with metal cantle, not with black leather as in your last picture. Can you clarify please? Thanks.
Unfortunately we cannot trust artist' pictures, it's wrong way to make final conclusions about details of military uniforms  In this particular case I suppose - it's because poor quality of image.
There are numerous photos of Cameron Highlanders ORs, lots of real sporrans and NO ONE of them has metal cantle...
look at this real photo, we can see highlights on the black leather parts.
Last edited by blackwatch70; 26th January 18 at 05:18 AM.
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26th January 18, 06:03 AM
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Yes, I see your point. If only there was an ex QOCH out there reading this who could help!
Originally Posted by blackwatch70
Unfortunately we cannot trust artist' pictures, it's wrong way to make final conclusions about details of military uniforms In this particular case I suppose - it's because poor quality of image.
There are numerous photos of Cameron Highlanders ORs, lots of real sporrans and NO ONE of them has metal cantle...
look at this real photo, we can see highlights on the black leather parts.
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2nd February 18, 06:32 AM
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I have asked one retired officer, serving in Queen Own Highlanders, The Highlanders and finally in Royal Regiment of Scotland.
His reply was very interesting...
Quote: "... Just before the amalgamation of the Queen's Own Highlanders and Gordons the Sergeants' Mess got authority to wear a different sporran. The component parts were churned out and I suspect this is a product of overproduction..."
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