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13th August 18, 05:47 AM
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 Originally Posted by Arnot
The buckles were probably changed when they added the additional strap. The other two would likely have been the old two-prong buckles and would not have matched. They are a pain to deal with as well. In fact, I changed out buckles and straps on a Cameron of Erracht kilt brought to me by a piper from 4th BN, Royal Regiment of Scotland the other week for just this reason. The kilt was old and still had the two-prong buckles.
The shiny replacement buckles were the first thing that leapt to my eye when I looked at the photos.
On that subject, though, I love the original two-prong buckles on my QOH regimental kilt. Yes, they're a bit of a pain to get the tiny prongs in the holes at the same time, but they sure do lay nice and flat. Modern buckles are lumpy and uncomfortable by comparison.
If you kept those original buckles that you replaced (or have others from previous replacements), I'd sure be interested in them!
*edited to add: for those who aren't familiar with them, these would be original style military buckles:
Last edited by Tobus; 13th August 18 at 05:50 AM.
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13th August 18, 07:09 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by Tobus
The shiny replacement buckles were the first thing that leapt to my eye when I looked at the photos.
On that subject, though, I love the original two-prong buckles on my QOH regimental kilt. Yes, they're a bit of a pain to get the tiny prongs in the holes at the same time, but they sure do lay nice and flat. Modern buckles are lumpy and uncomfortable by comparison.
If you kept those original buckles that you replaced (or have others from previous replacements), I'd sure be interested in them!
*edited to add: for those who aren't familiar with them, these would be original style military buckles:

I have one of those QOH kilts as well. It still had the basting stitches in the pleats when I bought it. I didn't really care for the original buckles, though. To each his own. I have the modern military black buckles on it now.
Unfortunately I have already given away the buckles. The QOH buckles went to OC Richard, another set from my Cameron Highlanders kilt went to another XMarks guy in SW England. If I change out another set for someone else, I'll keep you in mind.
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13th August 18, 11:18 AM
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Because so much has been added, the pleats now are conspicuously narrow in comparison to the aprons, so it's likely to look odd when worn (apron will come around too far on both sides because the pleats are no longer balanced with the apron).
The other thing that will make this kilt look odd is that the apron won't even come close to covering the underapron. Even if you could buckle it into the tightest hole of the underapron strap, you'd still see a couple inches of the unpleated underapron beyond the fringe edge of the apron (see below). That just doesn't look good and makes it painfully obvious that the kilt doesn't fit.
Last edited by Barb T; 13th August 18 at 11:32 AM.
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13th August 18, 11:19 AM
#4
Adding fabric to the left edge of an under apron will not affect or change the size of the kilt.
Evidence of a size alteration would be seen in the relocaion of the right side buckles.
Last edited by The Wizard of BC; 13th August 18 at 11:20 AM.
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13th August 18, 11:34 AM
#5
 Originally Posted by The Wizard of BC
Adding fabric to the left edge of an under apron will not affect or change the size of the kilt.
Evidence of a size alteration would be seen in the relocation of the right side buckles.
Actually, it would change the size of the kilt, but the pair of buckles would have to be moved or you wouldn't be able to buckle the kilt. Adding material is basically like adding strap extenders.
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13th August 18, 01:19 PM
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um - if fabric were added to the outer apron, or to the pleated section, then yes the kilt would be larger. I don't see where fabric was added to the outer apron or to the pleated section.
If an attempt had been made to make the kilt larger by adding to the under apron only - the result would be the right side of the under apron showing from under the right side of the outer apron. In this case we should see some evidence where the buckles and straps had been moved. I am not seeing that.
Steve Ashton
www.freedomkilts.com
Skype (webcam enabled) thewizardofbc
I wear the kilt because: Swish + Swagger = Swoon.
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13th August 18, 01:45 PM
#7
 Originally Posted by The Wizard of BC
um - if fabric were added to the outer apron, or to the pleated section, then yes the kilt would be larger. I don't see where fabric was added to the outer apron or to the pleated section.
If an attempt had been made to make the kilt larger by adding to the under apron only - the result would be the right side of the under apron showing from under the right side of the outer apron. In this case we should see some evidence where the buckles and straps had been moved. I am not seeing that.
It looks to me like someone larger than the most recent owner added the fabric, otherwise there would be no need to have the underapron strap sewn on so far back from the edge of the underapron. Given the length of the strap and the distance across the underapron to the underapron strap, my bet would be that you could just barely reach the buckles at the fringe edge with the buckles where they are. My guess is that the person who originally added the fabric would have had to move those buckles but that the most recent owner, who was smaller, would have moved them back, as he did with the underapron strap.
Or, maybe the original person just used strap extenders - that's what the folks in our band do when the underapron edge shows a whole bunch and the fringe edge straps can't reach the buckles. And that's actually preferable to moving the buckles into the underapron, which you'd have to do if the kilt was way too small. There isn't enough support for the buckles in the fabric of the underapron, so strap extenders are a better choice.
Last edited by Barb T; 14th August 18 at 05:29 AM.
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