Jackets and waistcoats

**Tobus** · 20th January 19, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Father Bill

I wonder if you are thinking of doublets, perhaps a Sherrifmuir.

I suspect the question is probably about jackets and waistcoats like the ones shown below. The fad was to button the jacket up high, and have it open around the belly to show off the watch chain. This caused the waistcoats to need a higher buttoning front so they would cover up to where the jacket was buttoned. These were popular in the latter half of the 1800s, but were phasing out of style by the early 1900s. By WWI, they seem to have gone extinct.

To my knowledge, no one makes a kilt jacket like these any more, at least at the commercial level. A bespoke tailor could do one, and I'm sure there would be ways to convert Saxon-style jackets to this style.

(2nd from right)

**jthk** · 20th January 19, 06:22 PM

Thanks, Tobus, that's closer to what I was thinking of but the pictures I've seen are exactly like today's modern kilt jackets but simply have the ability to button most of the way up. Perhaps a bit more warm than today's?

Originally Posted by Tobus

I suspect the question is probably about jackets and waistcoats like the ones shown below. The fad was to button the jacket up high, and have it open around the belly to show off the watch chain. This caused the waistcoats to need a higher buttoning front so they would cover up to where the jacket was buttoned. These were popular in the latter half of the 1800s, but were phasing out of style by the early 1900s. By WWI, they seem to have gone extinct.

To my knowledge, no one makes a kilt jacket like these any more, at least at the commercial level. A bespoke tailor could do one, and I'm sure there would be ways to convert Saxon-style jackets to this style.

(2nd from right)

**Bruce Scott** · 20th January 19, 07:20 PM

Perhaps something like this three button jacket?

https://blog.kiltmakers.com/2015/02/...t-how-to-wear/

**jthk** · 20th January 19, 07:37 PM

Thanks for the suggestion but the ones I'm thinking of have more buttons and a cut away for the sporran.

Thanks again.

Originally Posted by Bruce Scott

Perhaps something like this three button jacket?

https://blog.kiltmakers.com/2015/02/...t-how-to-wear/

**FossilHunter** · 20th January 19, 07:45 PM

House of Labhran sells a jacket that resembles that historic style.

House of labhran three button shooting kilt jacket.

From houseoflabhran.net

**Bruce Scott** · 20th January 19, 10:06 PM

A couple of these jackets have four to five buttons but may not be capable of being fully buttoned.

From: https://www.rct.uk/collection/293173...atives-vol-iii

**jthk** · 21st January 19, 09:11 AM

Thanks a million! Those are nearly identical to the jackets and waistcoats I was referring to. So, am I basically inquiring after a historical jacket and waistcoat that is no longer worn?

Thanks to all.
Jonathan

Originally Posted by Bruce Scott

A couple of these jackets have four to five buttons but may not be capable of being fully buttoned.

From: https://www.rct.uk/collection/293173...atives-vol-iii

**ThistleDown** · 21st January 19, 01:13 PM

Yes, jthk, those are historical styles now.

**Orvis** · 22nd January 19, 11:39 AM

On the figure of Allan Murray (standing next to Mr. Drummond), he appears to be wearing a waistcoat of somewhat antiquated style. It would appear to button all the way to the throat, and the style of laced pock flaps and the "V" opening on the bottom are of the type that was popular during the 4th quarter of the 18th century (give or take a few years earlier or later). With regard to Mr. Murray's jacket, it appears to be of conventional early 19th century style (2nd quarter and later), and looks like an early ancestor of today's Argyll jacket.

The waistcoat can be had (or you can make one yourself from a pattern) as supplied by reenactor vendors. The jacket pattern can probably be had from historical supply houses, and you would have to have it made by yourself or your tailor.