Angus County

**Karl R** · 15th March 19, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by byrdfeeder

Although I've studied the maps and visited a ton of websites, I have come to the conclusion that I must be daft. What region is Angus County? Just when I think I've narrowed it to the Central Lowlands, I find sites that say parts of Angus County are considered Highlands.

I went to Google Maps and entered "Angus District UK" which gave me this:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/An...8!4d-2.9124057

As you can see, Monikie is located in the Angus District.

If you switch from map view to satellite view, it should be fairly obvious where the boundary between the highlands and lowlands is. Monikie would be in the lowlands.

Originally Posted by byrdfeeder

Apparently the Orems had no family tartan, but I can't find an explanation of why some families had them and others didn't.

It was a wealth and power thing. Scottish lords would order clothing in a tartan for themselves, their family members, and all their servants. That tartan (or those tartans) would get labeled with their name. The companies that made that tartan for the Scottish lords would advertise it under that name in an attempt to sell it to others.

Small families with little money weren't going to have that kind of economic clout. A few have a family tartan anyway, but they seem to be the exception instead of the rule.

Originally Posted by byrdfeeder

I suppose we might wear the Aberdeen tartan. Would appreciate your input on this.

I'm guessing that's the area where most people with the Orem surname are found currently. It would be a valid choice, as would the Angus District tartan.

**Hirsty** · 15th March 19, 10:21 AM

I am originally from Carnoustie and still love Angus. It is a great place to grow up and a great place to come back to.

**byrdfeeder** · 16th March 19, 08:54 PM

Thank you for your input about a tartan for the Orems. When I searched commercial sites for a tartan, they suggested (as Karl said) Aberdeen because of the number of Orems there. Frankly, I didn't know there was an Angus tartan. I viewed it, and yes, it is a lovely one. Given that my Orems were from Angus, I agree it is a good choice.

I was aware that Angus had also been referred to as Forfarshire, but since my Orems left Scotland sometime in the 1600s, I presume the county would have been Angus at that time, no?

I just read a selection about the origin of kilts: "The Invention of Tradition" by Hugh Trevor-Roper (Columbia University). Wondering if anyone else has seen this and what your thoughts are about it. Are these fightin' words?

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/journali...0Tradition.pdf

**Tarheel** · 17th March 19, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by byrdfeeder

I just read a selection about the origin of kilts: "The Invention of Tradition" by Hugh Trevor-Roper (Columbia University). Wondering if anyone else has seen this and what your thoughts are about it. Are these fightin' words?

I just scanned the text in the link you posted. I can't say those are "fightin' words", but they could start a debate among those with more historical knowledge on the subject than I have. I prefer to let that sleeping giant rest in peace.

PS. I do appreciate information from any source so that I may develop a conclusion closer to the truth.

**byrdfeeder** · 17th March 19, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Tarheel

I prefer to let that sleeping giant rest in peace.

PS. I do appreciate information from any source so that I may develop a conclusion closer to the truth.

I hope that through my ignorance I didn't put my foot in it. I did not mean to offend.

**cessna152towser** · 17th March 19, 02:55 PM

Parts of Angus, such as Forfar and Monikie, might well be considered as being in the Lowlands, but I've always thought of the Angus Glens, Glen Clova, Glen Isla, Glen Prosen etc as within the Highlands, indeed Glen Doll is within the Cairngorms National Park.

**byrdfeeder** · 19th March 19, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by cessna152towser

Parts of Angus, such as Forfar and Monikie, might well be considered as being in the Lowlands, but I've always thought of the Angus Glens, Glen Clova, Glen Isla, Glen Prosen etc as within the Highlands, indeed Glen Doll is within the Cairngorms National Park.

Okay, that helps clear that up. Since Monikie was so close to the Highlands, would they have shared similar cultures? For example, I've read that people in the Lowlands were predominantly Presbyterian throughout the 17th and 18th centuries, and would have disagreed rather vehemently with those who supported Prince Charles. Would you agree, or is this off the mark?

**Tarheel** · 17th March 19, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by byrdfeeder

I hope that through my ignorance I didn't put my foot in it. I did not mean to offend.

Fear not my friend. I make many errors and am treated kindly by this group with corrections that help my personal growth. This is why I remain loyal and wiser.

**byrdfeeder** · 19th March 19, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by Tarheel

Fear not my friend. I make many errors and am treated kindly by this group with corrections that help my personal growth. This is why I remain loyal and wiser.

Thank you for your patience. I get a little "over exuberant" in my quest for info sometimes, but I totally agree that any source is worth reading--what matters is understanding the context.

**Karl R** · 17th March 19, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by byrdfeeder

I was aware that Angus had also been referred to as Forfarshire, but since my Orems left Scotland sometime in the 1600s, I presume the county would have been Angus at that time, no?

It was called Angus Shire before it was called Forfarshire. I found a reference that the area was called Angus Shire in 1773, but I can't tell you what it was called in the 1600s.