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16th September 19, 01:22 PM
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Pattern No232 or Regent became MacLaren at some point shortly after the Prince Regent became King Goerg IV. It is similar to, or vice-versa, the Ferguson, both Wilsons' designs, as was the Grant, Hunting . This Grant, Hunting sett should not be confused with the 42nd tartan which a number of other families also wear.
It's a jump to say that the MacLaren is a simplified version of the Grant, Hunting; It could equally be described as a simplified version of Royal Stewart in a 'hunting form'. The truth is that there were a number of variations on a theme produced inthe early 1800s and the MacLaren and Grant are but two.
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17th September 19, 05:11 AM
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 Originally Posted by figheadair
It's a jump to say that the MacLaren is a simplified version of the Grant, Hunting; It could equally be described as a simplified version of Royal Stewart in a 'hunting form'. The truth is that there were a number of variations on a theme produced inthe early 1800s and the MacLaren and Grant are but two.
Thank you sir, what I did not make clear was that it seems the MacLaren sett currently woven by most if not all the mills seems to be a simplified version of the tartan pictured in the original post. They have dropped the double tracks. Personally, I like the sett with the double tracks, but it appears it would have to be a special order.
Thanks again,
Cheers
David
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17th September 19, 10:26 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by kiltedsawyer
Thank you sir, what I did not make clear was that it seems the MacLaren sett currently woven by most if not all the mills seems to be a simplified version of the tartan pictured in the original post. They have dropped the double tracks. Personally, I like the sett with the double tracks, but it appears it would have to be a special order.
I think it would be wrong to assume that the MacLaren is a simplified Grant, Hunting. Both patterns were included in Wilsons' 1819 Key Pattern Book, the former as No232 or Regent and the latter simply as Grant. There is nothing in their notes about the origins or either or which came first.
And yes, the Grant would need to be a special order.
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17th September 19, 11:38 AM
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Now I get it
 Originally Posted by figheadair
I think it would be wrong to assume that the MacLaren is a simplified Grant, Hunting. Both patterns were included in Wilsons' 1819 Key Pattern Book, the former as No232 or Regent and the latter simply as Grant. There is nothing in their notes about the origins or either or which came first.
Okay, now I understand. The tartan in my original post is Grant (Wilson's 1819 Key Pattern Book,) not Grant Hunting. Grant (Wilson's 1819 Key Pattern Book,) has the "double tracks" I spoke of, MacLaren does not. MacLaren is not a simplified Grant (Wilson's 1819 Key Pattern Book,) because they both appeared at the same time. Grant and Grant Hunting, (AKA Black Watch) are different setts all together. Got it!
Thank you,
David
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19th September 19, 04:59 PM
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To me the distinctive thing about the Black Watch double-track motif is that the line-pairs alternate.
The MacLaren shown in the OP doesn't do that; every square has two line-pairs at the outer edges. I would expect every other square to have a single line-pair down the middle.
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20th September 19, 02:43 AM
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 Originally Posted by OC Richard
To me the distinctive thing about the Black Watch double-track motif is that the line-pairs alternate.
The MacLaren shown in the OP doesn't do that; every square has two line-pairs at the outer edges. I would expect every other square to have a single line-pair down the middle.
Richard, you're mixing the two patterns being discussed. It's the Grant that has the four lines, not the MacLaren. You point nonetheless is correct about the 2/4 arrangement of the 42nd settings.
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