Matching everything?

[jviss]

Thanks Shaun and Steve,

I can see both points of view, depending on venue or event. Plus, you can only wear what you've got, so there's that. I am trying to assemble a small wardrobe, so I will have options. So far most of what I need for day wear and evening (formal).

This deal was too good to pass up, though; as-new, unused, and the gentleman almost gave it away. The tartan is Campbell of Argyll.

[McMurdo]

I have a bespoke tartan kilt suit I rarely wear the waistcoat without the jacket but have done it from time to time. I would not have an issue with that for smart day wear. The waistcoat icon the bias. I would however not wear the tartan glengarry, that would to my mind take something from smart to Brigadoon in a very short time indeed.

Waistcoat and kilt, with a different jacket


Full tartan kilt suit


Just the kilt


Waistcoat and kilt without a jacket

[Jock Scot]

Thanks Shaun and Steve,

I can see both points of view, depending on venue or event. Plus, you can only wear what you've got, so there's that. I am trying to assemble a small wardrobe, so I will have options. So far most of what I need for day wear and evening (formal).

This deal was too good to pass up, though; as-new, unused, and the gentleman almost gave it away. The tartan is Campbell of Argyll.

You are quite at liberty to wear more or less what you wish , but if it helps you in any way, tartan waistcoats and tartan jackets worn with the kilt are rarely seen in Scotland during the day and are best avoided. They exist and are sometimes worn here during the day by a very very few with likely, more money than sense. Which actually does not go down well with the locals as they tend to consider it as brash. When we get to evening attire, particularly for the uncommon "white tie" events then they are more common, particularly in the Western Highlands.

We tend to consider tartan waist coats and jackets worn in the day as rather unnecessary and if worn at all, are more in the province of the Clan Chief at a Clan Gathering, or a pop star. I am sorry to say this, but we over here, perhaps unfairly, tend to regard the addition of tartan waist coats and jackets worn for day attire and minor formal evening events, as some North Americans trying to be more Scottish than the Scottish. Sorry chaps, but that is a very common point of view here.

Just saying.

[OC Richard]

My short answer would be:

Matching tartan vest/waistcoat: fine.

Matching tartan bonnet: too touristy.

My long answer would be:

There's a modern attitude I've often encountered, told me by an older Scot 45 years ago as

"no tartan above the waist".

Of course this is simplistic. It's intended, I think, to refer to tartan hats, neckies, shirts, waistcoats, and jackets.

The obvious exceptions would be plaids, civilian day plaids and civilian evening plaids and the plaids pipers wear with "No1 Dress".

However taking the longer view, tartan jackets and waistcoats have always been worn, from some of our earliest images of men in Highland Dress to today.

They were very popular in the 18th century and early 19th century but their popularity began declining around c1840. They never totally went out of fashion, though it's true that tartan waistcoats have been seen more often than entire tartan suits with matching kilts, jackets, and waistcoats.

What was very popular in Victorian times, and having something of a resurgence today, were tweed suits with matching kilts, jackets, and waistcoats.

Bonnets didn't ever seem to participate in the matching thing.

In any case I wouldn't hesitate to wear the matching kilt and waistcoat with any sort of kilt jacket, be it tweed or black.

1860s: matching tartan waistcoat, kilt, and plaid, brown tweed jacket, contrasting tartan hose.



The Duke of Rothesay in matching tartan waistcoat and kilt, with charcoal tweed jacket.

[Jock Scot]

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The Duke of Rothesay in matching tartan waistcoat and kilt, with charcoal tweed jacket.

I Have not seen the Duke Rothesay wear that waistcoat very often with his day attire and certainly not recently. I wonder why?

You make my point for me OCR, that the tartan waistcoat worn with day kilt attire are "the province" of the very occasional "Clan Chief and pop stars" and I think The Duke would qualify too, don't you?

I know many in North America may find this hard to stomach, but over here in Scotland, particularly in the Highlands of Scotland conservative dressing is the preferred and most common way of thinking for kilted gentlemen during the day, even these days. To put it another way, there is a point with our kilt attire, where we would just not pass. History may point otherwise, the future may go another way, but the recent past and the present say different, for the majority of kilt daywear in Scotland.

[OC Richard]

here in Scotland, particularly in the Highlands of Scotland conservative dressing is the preferred and most common way of thinking for kilted gentlemen during the day...

Yes that was probably the point of the middle-aged Scot telling a teenaged newbie (me) to wear "no tartan above the waist" or to put it another way the tartan of the kilt was quite enough.

This was in 1977 and the "kilt hire" impact had yet to be felt, the Highland Dress of this gent being pretty much the same as it was in the inter-war period. His dress went a long way to forming my ideas about "traditional Highland Dress".

His dress was smart but never ostentatious. The most dressed-up he got was, when piping at very formal Evening events, a Regulation Doublet, seal Evening sporran, tartan hose, buckled brogues etc. No dirk, no plaid, no hat, no pins, etc. (He served in the Cameron Highlanders in WWII as a piper.)

[Jock Scot]

Yes that was probably the point of the middle-aged Scot telling a teenaged newbie (me) to wear "no tartan above the waist" or to put it another way the tartan of the kilt was quite enough.

This was in 1977 and the "kilt hire" impact had yet to be felt, the Highland Dress of this gent being pretty much the same as it was in the inter-war period. His dress went a long way to forming my ideas about "traditional Highland Dress".

His dress was smart but never ostentatious. The most dressed-up he got was, when piping at very formal Evening events, a Regulation Doublet, seal Evening sporran, tartan hose, buckled brogues etc. No dirk, no plaid, no hat, no pins, etc. (He served in the Cameron Highlanders in WWII as a piper.)

With absolutely no disrespect to the WW2 piper, or you, but again you make my point clearly. The gentleman was a piper----- an entertainer---- and therefore his attire bears little or no relevance to civilian kilt attire. There are similarities for sure, but they have little, or no relevance to civilian kilt attire as a guide.

[OC Richard]

The gentleman was a piper----- an entertainer---- and therefore his attire bears little or no relevance to civilian kilt attire.

But every item of his attire was absolutely normal civilian Highland Dress of his generation, and the generation before.

When he was a young man things like the Prince Charlie and Montrose were the snazzy newer styles favoured by younger men. The old standard Doublet began being regarded as somewhat staid, dull, and old-fashioned: the provenance of older gents. In that context, this piper's personal fashion choices were the opposite of ostentatious, fancy, or over-the-top, but represented the older, more conservative way.

Now that Prince Charlies have been the standard Evening jacket over the last half-century they're now regarded as staid, and anything else is ostentatious I suppose. Odd how fashion keeps re-inventing itself like that.

[Mr stonk]

After the purchase of my first bespoke kilt about 18 months ago I received a gift from a family member which included.... matching tartan tie, sock flashes and pocket square!

I have worn the tie and pocket square with suits and blazers but never with kilt and even then the tartan tie and square at different times. (Matching tie with pocket square is a definite
NO!)
If wearing tartan then only one item but that's just my personal view.

[Jock Scot]

After the purchase of my first bespoke kilt about 18 months ago I received a gift from a family member which included.... matching tartan tie, sock flashes and pocket square!

I have worn the tie and pocket square with suits and blazers but never with kilt and even then the tartan tie and square at different times. (Matching tie with pocket square is a definite
NO!)
If wearing tartan then only one item but that's just my personal view.

THANK YOU!