Bit of help on what to work for?

[Father Bill]

Since you already have a "cheapy" to wear when your kilt would be in danger, the wool kilt will rarely need to be cleaned, so that's not much of an issue.

If you read through a number of threads here (the search function is your friend) you'll understand that you need to be VERY careful of which dry cleaner you use, how you prepare your kilt for them, and what you tell them to do. A dry cleaner who only thinks they know how to do it can destroy your expensive kilt.

Please, please, please, research it carefully and become an expert by reading lots of threads here. Some of them will even teach you how to wash your kilt safely yourself in the bathtub! I've been wearing the kilt for some time now, admittedly not as a daily garment, but I've yet to clean or wash either of my two.

[OC Richard]

I recently got a USA Kilts 5-yard "semi traditional" kilt.

It's the first kilt I've ever owned that isn't a traditional kilt (6 to 8 yards of wool kilting fabric, handsewn pleats, the full traditional cutting out of pleats, steeking, stabiliser, lining etc).

My impression is that the 5-yard "semi traditional" kilt falls pretty much halfway between "casual kilts" and traditional kilts, as the name says.

It looks pretty much identical to a traditional kilt on the outside. The differences are on the inside, in how it's constructed.

The feel of wearing it, and how it looks when worn, is very much like a traditional kilt, especially like a traditional kilt made with less yardage (which my traditional kilts are).

BTW traditional kilts weren't always 8 yards: in catalogues from the 1930s you can order your kilt with 6, 7, or 8 yards. My handsewn traditional kilts have around 6.5 yards in them.

About being washable, I know nothing about modern fabrics like Marton Mills' PV but you can read all about them here on XMarks due to their popularity.

My kilts are all 100% wool.

As Father says you don't dryclean a wool kilt very often. For me, it's about every 20 years or so.

And yes there are numerous horror-stories about kilts being pressed incorrectly! The people at a drycleaners have no clue how to do it properly. It's best to baste the pleats in place before taking a kilt to the drycleaners.

[River]

I recently got a USA Kilts 5-yard "semi traditional" kilt.

It's the first kilt I've ever owned that isn't a traditional kilt (6 to 8 yards of wool kilting fabric, handsewn pleats, the full traditional cutting out of pleats, steeking, stabiliser, lining etc).

My impression is that the 5-yard "semi traditional" kilt falls pretty much halfway between "casual kilts" and traditional kilts, as the name says.

It looks pretty much identical to a traditional kilt on the outside. The differences are on the inside, in how it's constructed.

The feel of wearing it, and how it looks when worn, is very much like a traditional kilt, especially like a traditional kilt made with less yardage (which my traditional kilts are).

BTW traditional kilts weren't always 8 yards: in catalogues from the 1930s you can order your kilt with 6, 7, or 8 yards. My handsewn traditional kilts have around 6.5 yards in them.

About being washable, I know nothing about modern fabrics like Marton Mills' PV but you can read all about them here on XMarks due to their popularity.

My kilts are all 100% wool.

As Father says you don't dryclean a wool kilt very often. For me, it's about every 20 years or so.

And yes there are numerous horror-stories about kilts being pressed incorrectly! The people at a drycleaners have no clue how to do it properly. It's best to baste the pleats in place before taking a kilt to the drycleaners.

Thank you for your in depth description of the semi-traditional kilt! I infer that the dry cleaning is a pretty risky venture at times for a kilt, so I will definitely spend some time on lookin up proper dry cleaning information for a wool kilt!

[KennethSime]

I'm in a pretty similar boat as you man.

I wore a traditional 8-yard for weddings and such on a semi-regular basis for the past 20 years. I've worn a few utility kilts while hiking, but it never became a regular "daily" thing.

Over Shelter In Place this summer, I decided to buy a kilt for more everyday wear. I settled on Sport Kilt because I knew the name from attending Highland games as a kid, and because they offer pockets on their kilts which I figured was essential. I wore it around a bit, walking the dog and took it on a few hikes and was happy enough. And then I found the Kilts & Culture podcast/YouTube show from USA Kilts!

After watching the last two years worth of Kilts & Culture, I figured it was time I upgrade from the Sport Kilt. First I ordered a 5-Yard Wool, but that was delayed by the woolen mill. So to fill the void, I ordered a Casual Kilt. The 5-yard is still on order, but I've been wearing a Casual for a few weeks now and am very, very impressed.

The Casual Kilt puts the Sport Kilt to shame. The fabric is more substantial, drapes better, and pleats better. On top of that, the thing is built rock-solid: excellent sewing, sturdy velcro, and really great looking pleats! Whereas the Sport Kilt feels almost delicate (like a t-shirt), the Casual Kilt feels more like denim. In short, the Casual Kilt is more like a real kilt, and I feel better about wearing it because I know I look good. The worst part is that I spent significantly more on the Sport Kilt (in order to take advantage of their "custom features," which I don't miss at all.

Then, USA Kilts launched their big sale on 8-Yard last month, and I had to order yet one more to take advantage of that savings. In fact, the sale is still on! You can get a Made-In-Scotland 8-Yard Kilt right now for a bit less than USA Kilts typically charges for a 5-Yard Kilt. If you're at all interested in getting a traditional kilt, now's the time! My only advice would be to measure for it like a traditional kilt: 2 inches above the navel down to the cap of your knee (or mid-knee), and double-check those measurements.

My understanding is that the Semi-Traditional Kilt is built basically like their 5-Yard Wool Kilt, only made from Marton Mills PolyViscose, the same fabric as their Casual Kilt. This means it is machine washable, though you should only wash it on cold because of the scotchguard-like teflon coating. I wouldn't hesitate to order another Casual Kilt, but I think my next USA Kilts order will be for a Semi-Traditional kilt. For a bit more money, you get the same great every-day machine-washable fabric in a more fitted garment that looks 100% like a "real kilt." In other words: the pleats will swing better, the apron will hang better, and you butt will look better.

Hope this was helpful.

[River]

I'm in a pretty similar boat as you man.

I wore a traditional 8-yard for weddings and such on a semi-regular basis for the past 20 years. I've worn a few utility kilts while hiking, but it never became a regular "daily" thing.

Over Shelter In Place this summer, I decided to buy a kilt for more everyday wear. I settled on Sport Kilt because I knew the name from attending Highland games as a kid, and because they offer pockets on their kilts which I figured was essential. I wore it around a bit, walking the dog and took it on a few hikes and was happy enough. And then I found the Kilts & Culture podcast/YouTube show from USA Kilts!

After watching the last two years worth of Kilts & Culture, I figured it was time I upgrade from the Sport Kilt. First I ordered a 5-Yard Wool, but that was delayed by the woolen mill. So to fill the void, I ordered a Casual Kilt. The 5-yard is still on order, but I've been wearing a Casual for a few weeks now and am very, very impressed.

The Casual Kilt puts the Sport Kilt to shame. The fabric is more substantial, drapes better, and pleats better. On top of that, the thing is built rock-solid: excellent sewing, sturdy velcro, and really great looking pleats! Whereas the Sport Kilt feels almost delicate (like a t-shirt), the Casual Kilt feels more like denim. In short, the Casual Kilt is more like a real kilt, and I feel better about wearing it because I know I look good. The worst part is that I spent significantly more on the Sport Kilt (in order to take advantage of their "custom features," which I don't miss at all.

Then, USA Kilts launched their big sale on 8-Yard last month, and I had to order yet one more to take advantage of that savings. In fact, the sale is still on! You can get a Made-In-Scotland 8-Yard Kilt right now for a bit less than USA Kilts typically charges for a 5-Yard Kilt. If you're at all interested in getting a traditional kilt, now's the time! My only advice would be to measure for it like a traditional kilt: 2 inches above the navel down to the cap of your knee (or mid-knee), and double-check those measurements.

My understanding is that the Semi-Traditional Kilt is built basically like their 5-Yard Wool Kilt, only made from Marton Mills PolyViscose, the same fabric as their Casual Kilt. This means it is machine washable, though you should only wash it on cold because of the scotchguard-like teflon coating. I wouldn't hesitate to order another Casual Kilt, but I think my next USA Kilts order will be for a Semi-Traditional kilt. For a bit more money, you get the same great every-day machine-washable fabric in a more fitted garment that looks 100% like a "real kilt." In other words: the pleats will swing better, the apron will hang better, and you butt will look better.

Hope this was helpful.

Wow, thank you for your response! I guess it would’ve been a bit less money spent if I went with the Casual over the Sport? Wacky.

Glad to hear USA Kilt’s Casual is built well. Probably just my current lack of knowledge on the matter, but I just assumed Kilts were light like the Sport Kilt. Glad to hear it’s more substantial, hopefully it’s also weightier! Does drape just mean how it feels when it falls between your legs when you’re sitting?

I love the swing of the pleats on kilts, so I would hope the Semi-traditional Kilt swings better than my Sport Kilt!! I haven’t considered the apron, does the apron hang really make a difference between kilts?

[bodhran4me]

Craigslist, ebay and etsy can be a good source if you are patient and careful. I got my 8 yd Maple Leaf made by Burnetts and Struth on Kijiji (Canadian Craigslist ) for about half of the new price. It took a year or two but it was worth the wait. There are also FB groups for selling kilts and accessories as well as the For Sale section here. It is important to ask questions such as if the seller knows the cloth type, mill and maker

[rlloyd]

I have both a few Semi-Traditionals and one Casual from USA Kilts in my collection. As far as versatility, I definitely recommend the Semi-Traditional. Having the complete appearance of a more traditional kilt, as others have so eloquently described, it makes it effortless to both dress up and dress down. The Casual isn't quite as versatile, at least to my eye, due to lacking the strap-and-buckle closure system (instead making use of hook-and-loop, or Velcro if you prefer) and the aesthetic it provides. I do like the convenience of how easy the Casual is to just toss on and go, and it's a very good option for more physical activities (also due to the different closure system). On the other hand, though, there have been times I've found myself thinking "gee, I wish my Isle of Skye were a Semi-Trad instead of Casual".

[River]

Craigslist, ebay and etsy can be a good source if you are patient and careful. I got my 8 yd Maple Leaf made by Burnetts and Struth on Kijiji (Canadian Craigslist ) for about half of the new price. It took a year or two but it was worth the wait. There are also FB groups for selling kilts and accessories as well as the For Sale section here. It is important to ask questions such as if the seller knows the cloth type, mill and maker

Ooh, maybe I can find a good Sporran!

[River]

Since you already have a "cheapy" to wear when your kilt would be in danger, the wool kilt will rarely need to be cleaned, so that's not much of an issue.

If you read through a number of threads here (the search function is your friend) you'll understand that you need to be VERY careful of which dry cleaner you use, how you prepare your kilt for them, and what you tell them to do. A dry cleaner who only thinks they know how to do it can destroy your expensive kilt.

Please, please, please, research it carefully and become an expert by reading lots of threads here. Some of them will even teach you how to wash your kilt safely yourself in the bathtub! I've been wearing the kilt for some time now, admittedly not as a daily garment, but I've yet to clean or wash either of my two.

Ooh, thank you! I have been idly reading the threads and there’s so much information! Thank you for your help, I think I’ll look up the bathtub cleaning method once I obtain a wool kilt. Glad to hear they don’t need to be cleaned as often as some other garments!