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10th August 25, 08:33 PM
#1
 Originally Posted by OC Richard
Four men in "day" tweed in The Highlanders of Scotland, no visible flashes, no kilt pins, no sginean, three of the four wearing ordinary brogues.

Those are some serious sporrans. The hose on the gentleman second from left are interesting. The pattern looks like it could be a stag head and antlers. Or maybe just a laurel crest.
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11th August 25, 02:06 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by SF Jeff
Those are some serious sporrans. The hose on the gentleman second from left are interesting. The pattern looks like it could be a stag head and antlers. Or maybe just a laurel crest.
The hose feature a stag's head, as you have rightly noticed.
The lattice pattern of the hose is a version of the Gairloch that usually features two colours that are marled where the stag's head is placed, but additing the stag's head adds all kinds of conplications for the knitter.
The Gairloch pattern is complex enough, with its stitch numbers being recalulated according to shoe-size, and leg legnth and width, in order to keep where the pattern meets at the back both regular and even. Adding the stag's head might be done best as a secondary process in the form of a duplicate stitch, but there would be several hours' work in that alone.
Consiquently, no-one is willing to pay a commercial labour rate for approximately 40 to 50 hours' knitting work for a pair of hand-knit kilt hose of this style, and so they are nonviable.
But they're nice to see, just the same.
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11th August 25, 01:24 PM
#3
 Originally Posted by Troglodyte
The hose feature a stag's head, as you have rightly noticed.
Consiquently, no-one is willing to pay a commercial labour rate for approximately 40 to 50 hours' knitting work for a pair of hand-knit kilt hose of this style, and so they are nonviable.
But they're nice to see, just the same.
They can be had, but they're very dear!
https://tartansocks.simdif.com/range-of-hose.html
Cheers,
SM
Shaun Maxwell
Vice President & Texas Commissioner
Clan Maxwell Society
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14th August 25, 04:23 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by ShaunMaxwell
Thanks for the link. Looks like a one-off pair, hence the high price. There is also a pic of some nice examples of the Gairloch pattern that trog mentioned:
https://tartansocks.simdif.com/image...604c59e27e.jpg
And even more interesting to me are the bespoke hose for the OCSD. I've seen that band perform a few times and don't remember them wearing those hose. But a few years back they changed their tartan so maybe they changed their hose too.
https://tartansocks.simdif.com/image...607d43e8d3.jpg
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14th August 25, 05:28 PM
#5
Back to the original focus of the thread (the "Genesis" tartans
The video done by House of Edgar spends a bit of time talking about the "herringbone selvedge" apparently typical of the times when these six tartans were being woven. Barb Tewksbury sent me a picture of a tartan with herringbone selvedge. One reason it was attractive was that the selvedge "stripe" border coincided EXACTLY with the transition from one stripe to another in the fabric. I know little enough about looms and weaving so as to have no clue whether that's always the way it would be.
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
Thanks so much!
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15th August 25, 01:34 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
The video done by House of Edgar spends a bit of time talking about the "herringbone selvedge" apparently typical of the times when these six tartans were being woven. Barb Tewksbury sent me a picture of a tartan with herringbone selvedge. One reason it was attractive was that the selvedge "stripe" border coincided EXACTLY with the transition from one stripe to another in the fabric. I know little enough about looms and weaving so as to have no clue whether that's always the way it would be.
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
Thanks so much!
You may find these two papers of help:
- http://www.scottishtartans.co.uk/Tra...e_patterns.pdf
- http://www.scottishtartans.co.uk/Joined_Plaids.pdf
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15th August 25, 02:25 AM
#7
 Originally Posted by jsrnephdoc
The video done by House of Edgar spends a bit of time talking about the "herringbone selvedge" apparently typical of the times when these six tartans were being woven. Barb Tewksbury sent me a picture of a tartan with herringbone selvedge. One reason it was attractive was that the selvedge "stripe" border coincided EXACTLY with the transition from one stripe to another in the fabric. I know little enough about looms and weaving so as to have no clue whether that's always the way it would be.
Can anyone enlighten me on this?
Thanks so much!
I certainly can't help you there! Although aesthetics do come into it. Kilts, tartans, tractors, cars, guns, rifles, fishing rods, combine harvesters etc., etc., and their construction have absolutely no interest to me. I am of the "you make it and I will fly it" school of thought" and that works for me!
Last edited by Jock Scot; 15th August 25 at 02:32 AM.
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11th August 25, 05:48 PM
#8
 Originally Posted by SF Jeff
Those are some serious sporrans. The hose on the gentleman second from left are interesting. The pattern looks like it could be a stag head and antlers. Or maybe just a laurel crest.
Love the badger.
Here in North America that might be a Wolverine.
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15th August 25, 05:40 AM
#9
 Originally Posted by SF Jeff
Those are some serious sporrans. The hose on the gentleman second from left are interesting. The pattern looks like it could be a stag head and antlers. Or maybe just a laurel crest.
Here is an original example of the stag-head hose, shown in the Highland Home Industries guide from about 130 years ago.
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