My newest addition!

**flyv65** · 8th November 05, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by cavscout

If it truelly is 16 oz. the the only downside I see is it is short 1 leather strap.

Actually, I'm not very fond of the thrid, vestigial strap: it just seems to bulk up things around the waist and has no real justification now that most people don't wear their kilts military style: that is to say, right up under their ribcages.

Bryan...but that's just me-you make up your own minds... :-)

**GMan** · 8th November 05, 10:46 AM

Two words,

SHARP

CONGRATULATIONS

**KiltedCodeWarrior** · 8th November 05, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by cavscout

That is the scottish national. After comparing to the tartan on USA Kilts site I realise I was thinking incorrectly.

If you can compare the weight to your stillwater htat will give a good idea of wher this will fall in the spectrum. If it truelly is 16 oz. the the only downside I see is it is short 1 leather strap. They have a better variety than stillwater when it comes to a 16 oz. kilt since they carry the Irish Natioinal, Blackwatch, and Pride of Scotland. For $86 you can't beat that.

Cav, I would say that this is as at least heavy as my SWK heavyweight, but will check when I go home. I just checked SWK's site and their HW are 13oz. The one I have is the solid black which is acrylic, and this is PV.

As for the leather strap, see Mac's comments regarding the necessity for a strap on a contemporary kilt. I actually removed the lower, right side strap on my first SWK because it really does not serve a purpose on a contemporary kilt.

**davedove** · 8th November 05, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by KiltedCodeWarrior

The maker's tag:

It says Scottish National right on the tag.

**KiltedCodeWarrior** · 8th November 05, 12:20 PM

Davedove, I know, but given some others experiences, and my inexperience with tartans, I was leaving the door open that what the tag said and what the tartan actually is may only bear a passing resemblance to each other! :grin:

I have heard, and had experience, with sellers on eBay who were not entirely accurate in describing what they were selling. Sometimes due to honest errors or a lack of knowledge about the item, and other times with the intent to deceive the purchaser.:sad::sad:

**Niblox** · 8th November 05, 12:24 PM

... because I bought one on impulse in Edinburgh the year before last and it is of poor quality. It is what is called a "tourist kilt", lightweight and only suitable for very rough use.

The label is exactly the same as the one on the kilt that I bought.

Sorry, but it takes experience to know about these things. I have a decent kilt from a proper kiltmaker, and there is no comparison between the two.

Niblox

**auld argonian** · 8th November 05, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Niblox

... because I bought one on impulse in Edinburgh the year before last and it is of poor quality. It is what is called a "tourist kilt", lightweight and only suitable for very rough use.

The label is exactly the same as the one on the kilt that I bought.

Sorry, but it takes experience to know about these things. I have a decent kilt from a proper kiltmaker, and there is no comparison between the two.

Niblox

Well, i guess that KCW pcked it up because it was a bargain and he thought that he'd try it out...I expect that he just picked it up knowing that it wasn't a handmade but that he figured it was worth a poke....besides, they may have improved their quality over the past couple of years from the one that you picked up.

Granted that real wool and handmadedness must be wonderful but a lot of us acquire the occaisional piece of goods just as a knock-about and have no illuions that we're getting A#1 quality stuff.

best

AA

**KiltedCodeWarrior** · 8th November 05, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Niblox

I think you have got yourself a cheapo kilt...

because I bought one on impulse in Edinburgh the year before last and it is of poor quality. It is what is called a "tourist kilt", lightweight and only suitable for very rough use...

Well then, basically I got what I was expecting! :-D:-D

I had no illusions that I was buying, or would receive, an 8yd worsted wool traditional kilt. What I expected, and received, was a kilt made from modern materials, machine stitched, well constructed, in a decent weight cloth, and a tartan that I liked for $85 including shipping. Oh, and it arrived in 1 week, which was not part of my decision making process, but a nice bonus. Some of us don't have the financial resources, or desire, to purchase and wear a traditional kilt.

I am glad to see that whoever is actually manufacturing these kilts has been in business for more than 6 months.

**Phil Wright** · 8th November 05, 03:15 PM

KCW - Glad you're happy with it. I have had a couple of kilts from the same manufacturer - different suppliers, which are great for hanging around in generally. (Not tried to wash them yet though.) Like you say, for the price I'm happy with mine (Douglas and Anderson) but I would never want to wear them out to a 'do'. On closer examination the Anderson pleats are not truly to sett (but only noticeable when you know what to look for) and the Douglas is my most worn kilt around my home.(I have worn this one out about town.) I don't dispute that they are 'tourist' kilts, but I have seen a lot worse than these. We all know they will never be the same as a hand-built beaut!

Phil

**Riverkilt** · 8th November 05, 10:05 PM

Sharp looking KCW,

Sorry if I missed this, but do you know where it was made. See the label says "designed" in Scotland...but is it one of those Pakistani kilts or made somewhere else...?

Ron