Kilts as Goth wear.

[jjoseph]

Goth and grunge will both wear kilts for various reasons.... never have known "cross-dressing" to be among them. In the grunge crowd, the kilt is in fact seen as VERY masculine. As far as the goth shop carrying only "skirts", I asked a mate of mine who manages a shop. He says it's about the market. The kids who are the target 1) do not know kilts AND 2) have limited budgets. For the company to make money, it only sells the cheapest knock offs it can find.

[Sir Robert]

The word Goth covers Heavymetalheads, Edwardians, the S&M+B&D types and mixed in with them are some crossdresser looking Androgynous types.

Goth covers a lot sort of a "All Others" group.

Altho I ride motorcycles and wear a lot of black leather I am not a "Biker."

It I had to place myself somewhere if would be in the "All Others" group.

[jjoseph]

The word Goth covers Heavymetalheads, Edwardians, the S&M+B&D types and mixed in with them are some crossdresser looking Androgynous types. ... Goth covers a lot sort of a "All Others" group.

True that. Goth covers beaucoup territory. What I said was I have never known them to wear KILTS as part of cross-dressing. Although most goths go for an overt sexuality in their look, be it hyper-masculine or -feminine or androgynous... I don't know too many who do what I'd call cross-dressing and have yet to see a kilt in that context. I'm the oldest of ten kids. Grew up during goth and grunge. If I haven't done it / worn it, one of the others in the brood has. It may well be out there, but I haven't seen it yet.

[Alan H]

**tongue firmly planted in cheek**

Oh, those guys that wear kilts. They want to be different, but they all look the same. You know, those knee socks and those stupid-looking plaids? And what's with the geeky little fanny-packs on backwards?

I think it's funny how all these middle-aged guys are trying to be SO different, and they all wind up looking the same.

[minimalistix]

The word Goth covers Heavymetalheads, Edwardians, the S&M+B&D types and mixed in with them are some crossdresser looking Androgynous types.

Goth covers a lot sort of a "All Others" group.

I always considered those distinct groups, seperate from goths, but I can definately see how the term could be a catch all.

**tongue firmly planted in cheek**

Oh, those guys that wear kilts. They want to be different, but they all look the same. You know, those knee socks and those stupid-looking plaids? And what's with the geeky little fanny-packs on backwards?

I think it's funny how all these middle-aged guys are trying to be SO different, and they all wind up looking the same.

Crap and all this time I thought we wore them because they were comfortable. Knew I was doing something wrong. ;)

***mini. grabs socks, sporrans and kilt and runs out to join the kilt cult***

[Mike n NC]

**tongue firmly planted in cheek**

Oh, those guys that wear kilts. They want to be different, but they all look the same. You know, those knee socks and those stupid-looking plaids? And what's with the geeky little fanny-packs on backwards?

I think it's funny how all these middle-aged guys are trying to be SO different, and they all wind up looking the same.

Oh my aching sides!!! Alan you may have your tongue firmly in your cheek but I have actually heard comments like that.

Mike

[Iolaus]

**tongue firmly planted in cheek**

Oh, those guys that wear kilts. They want to be different, but they all look the same. You know, those knee socks and those stupid-looking plaids? And what's with the geeky little fanny-packs on backwards?

I think it's funny how all these middle-aged guys are trying to be SO different, and they all wind up looking the same.

That's why I try to make a point of not looking traditional. ;-)

[macwilkin]

That's why I try to make a point of not looking traditional. ;-)

Just as long as you respect those of us who do make a point to dress traditionally. ;)


Regards,

Todd

[auld argonian]

Oh, geez...I didn't start wearing a kilt so that I could stand out from (or fit in with) a bunch of my fellow middle aged men...I just did it because I thought it would be a cool thing for ME to do...

...so anyway, I look at these kids a little bit differently. When I was their age I had hair down to my shoulders (...and I HAD hair then as opposed to now...) and was what we used to call a full blown, long haired hippie freak...I'm sure that I looked as outre to most people back then as these kiddies do to most people now...the goths, the gangsta types...just kids that are working out their identities much as I was back in the day. No more good or evil than any teenager throughout history.

So several years ago we were in Washington DC and the usual anti-World Trade Organization demonstrations were going on. My son, then about twelve years old, was scared to death that we were going to get caught up in one of the demonstrations and that it was going to turn into a riot and we werre going to get tear-gassed and arrested. Hey...you have to have SOMETHING to worry about, right? So here we are on our way to the Smithsonian and, sure enough, around the corner comes the DEMONSTRATION! All I see is a bunch of college kids who are trying to act like it's 1969 again...having their vicarious hippie-socially-concious-protest experience...they've all got video cameras..("Check this out...I've got some video of me stickin' it to the pigs, man...am I cool or what?")...and my son just freezes.

And I say, "What's wrong?"

And he goes into his nightmare scenario ending up with us sitting in a DC jail cell.

And I say, "Just walk right through the middle of them and if they give you any $#!+ just point at me and say; 'See this guy...this is my dad and he was a hippie in the sixties and he got gassed at the 68 conventions and has been in more righteous demonstrations than any of you could ever hope to be. And he's fifty years old now and he's thirty-five pounds heavier and bald and has two kids, a mortgage and drives a station wagon....so enjoy it while you can because this is where you're all gonna end up!' "

And if that doesn't scare the hell out of them, nothing will.

I now know what a fifty year old hippie looks like...imagine what a fifty year old goth will look like.

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