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 slohairt De-Anglicisation of Names 8th December 06, 06:17 PM
 Deil the Yin De-anglifying Surnames... 8th December 06, 07:54 PM
 Tattoo Bradley Henderson = son of Henry =... 8th December 06, 08:57 PM
 Kid Cossack Oakley? Ballard? 8th December 06, 09:35 PM
 mddock58 Great Thread!
Paternal... 9th December 06, 08:14 AM
 MacWage So, COULD Wages/Wagers be... 9th December 06, 08:31 PM
 pdcorlis Care to take a crack at... 9th December 06, 08:38 PM
 Belegnole How about Mackers ? The name... 9th December 06, 10:43 PM
 Wompet How about a gaelicization of... 10th December 06, 04:56 PM
 thescot How about Killman? There are... 10th December 06, 11:33 PM
 Richland here is two 11th December 06, 03:08 PM
 Matthew Siegmann I have a few names from my... 12th December 06, 04:53 PM
 pdcorlis Even though we struck out on... 12th December 06, 07:33 PM
 Belegnole Whatever discord may have... 18th December 06, 10:52 PM
 jordanjm How about Butler 22nd August 07, 05:20 PM
 Ozman1944 Mine is Harris... 22nd August 07, 06:13 PM
 MacWage Guys,
This thread is a tad... 22nd August 07, 06:29 PM
 mddock58 MacWage, He posted on the 8th... 22nd August 07, 06:48 PM
 Sean_the_Kilted I thought Sean was already... 24th August 07, 12:34 AM
 Fletch75 My last name is Wilt, which... 24th August 07, 03:52 AM
 Ozman1944 Thank you Slohairt; "Ap Harri... 24th August 07, 07:10 AM
 BEEDEE Slohairt - how about DODDS -... 24th August 07, 08:17 AM
 Captain How 'bout Dooley? I didn't... 24th August 07, 08:40 AM
 MacHummel How about Hummel ? 25th August 07, 06:46 PM
 MacHummel I might be I have meet many... 26th August 07, 06:00 PM
 MysticMead if you feel up to it...
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 pdcorlis How about giving Paskett a... 30th August 07, 08:41 AM
 James MacMillan Great thread - I am... 2nd September 07, 10:55 PM
 TimC Got time for one more? ... 13th September 07, 07:43 AM
 Oatmeal Savage Could you help me with Grant?... 24th September 07, 12:37 PM
 Hamner I am told by my father that... 25th September 07, 09:01 AM
 Arizona Scot This is a very interesting... 1st October 07, 04:31 PM
 Mr. MacDougall What would the Gaelic version... 3rd October 07, 09:52 AM
 Big Homestead Wow, amazing thread! We all... 4th October 07, 11:14 AM
 Big Homestead Hey, how about the name... 5th October 07, 02:15 PM
 Ozman1944 This is such an interesting... 5th October 07, 03:04 PM
 Mael Coluim Slohairt, I would appreciate... 6th October 07, 12:33 PM
 Ozman1944 Ah yes, "Tinkers" sounds more... 6th October 07, 03:59 PM
 sarge My last name is CULLUM and my... 17th October 07, 05:23 AM
 Kent Frazier Slohairt,
Thank you for a... 9th December 07, 08:52 AM
 Bugbear Post deleted. 9th December 07, 12:39 PM
 Chrissss Let's try mine: Shinn
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 Nighthawk Interesting!
I have two... 9th December 07, 10:13 PM
 Bugbear Thank you. 9th December 07, 11:49 PM
 Bugbear Ooou, blood eagles... 10th December 07, 02:59 PM
 sarge Slohairt, thank you for all... 27th February 08, 10:30 AM
 Graywolf This is too great. OKay try... 27th February 08, 05:35 PM
 Graywolf Thanks,
So the town is... 28th February 08, 03:29 AM
 Frank McGrath This is a great thread. Try... 28th February 08, 04:44 PM
 Graywolf PLease take note - none of... 28th February 08, 05:33 PM
 graham_s Heh, try mine on for size.... 28th February 08, 05:52 PM
 McMathTX Mine should be pretty easy,... 29th February 08, 12:24 PM
 Jack Daw My grandmother's maiden name... 29th February 08, 10:54 PM
 ForresterModern Maybe an easy one for a... 1st March 08, 08:39 PM
 dowofbuchanan hey i went pretty far reading... 21st March 08, 06:31 PM
 Baysideboy I've looked through most of... 22nd March 08, 05:53 PM
 bjproc do you have anything for... 4th April 08, 12:11 AM
 Finn Paternal: Slonaker,... 4th April 08, 07:59 AM
 Finn Wow! Thanks again! 4th April 08, 09:11 AM
 Cyndi Hoe about my mom's maiden... 4th April 08, 10:31 PM
 Cyndi I'm sure they are. I think... 5th April 08, 12:32 AM
 dowofbuchanan hello again thanks for the... 5th April 08, 10:46 PM
 Fougasse Thanks for the entertainment,... 6th April 08, 02:37 AM
 MacHummel Hey Slohairt
I'm looking... 6th April 08, 08:08 AM
 TatterDel Okay so I read the first six... 7th April 08, 08:58 AM
 MacMillan of Rathdown Years ago I knew a gentleman... 7th April 08, 09:54 AM
 bjproc hi slohairt, do you have... 18th April 08, 04:01 AM
 Draelore This one should be easy:... 17th May 08, 08:22 PM
 Semiomniscient But if you want to get down... 8th June 08, 09:25 PM
 Erikm My surname is Middleton my... 23rd August 08, 01:42 AM
 Aldisimo Watkins? Harrison... 23rd August 08, 01:17 PM
 macneighill There are 2 forms of the name... 24th August 08, 02:18 PM
 Cassidy I'm gonna take a bold leap... 24th August 08, 09:31 PM
 Detroitpete WOW! THIS is an amazing... 27th August 08, 10:21 AM
 Madadh How about Maloy 27th August 08, 04:24 PM
 Robert Lamb This is one of if not the... 28th August 08, 11:36 AM
 Spc. Scott I have been following this... 29th August 08, 11:18 AM
 hospitaller howdy
could you... 23rd September 08, 07:35 PM
 Spc. Scott Thank you very much slohairt!... 25th September 08, 05:28 AM
 Squeaky McMurdo Hallo. Ciamer a tha thu?... 25th September 08, 05:58 PM
 hospitaller Thank you Sean! 25th September 08, 10:44 PM
 macdoc451 How about McCauslin... 2nd October 08, 11:52 AM
 Woot22 Since my family came from the... 27th October 08, 12:31 AM
 Erikm Hi slohairt would you have... 3rd November 08, 02:11 AM
 Derek Conley What an incredible thread!
... 3rd November 08, 08:31 AM
 Erikm Thanks again slohairt :) 7th November 08, 12:33 PM
 jrmiller What fun! I have "Roberts"... 10th November 08, 03:14 PM
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 dowofbuchanan ok im back again ... ham ...... 24th November 08, 01:04 PM
 An t-Ileach Miller - a "trade name" - is... 28th November 08, 11:10 AM
 hagridhorse my name is macmillan son of... 28th November 08, 04:02 PM
 FreakPower70 I will bite, my father is... 1st December 08, 01:03 AM
 LANCER1562 This has been a very... 24th December 08, 12:58 AM
 Vagabond_Aero GG-dad came over from Ireland... 24th December 08, 03:56 PM
 ChattanCat How 'bout Catanach (ok... 28th December 08, 07:23 AM
 Downix Um, Laird is scottish:... 30th December 08, 06:55 AM
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 Colonel MacNeal MacNeal is actually my middle... 14th April 09, 07:27 AM
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 long_hand robert shawn rowland 14th April 09, 10:53 AM
 David H Slohairt,
I have done a... 14th April 09, 02:33 PM
 long_hand Thanks Slohairt,
The... 14th April 09, 08:24 PM
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 The Kilted Reverend Rocking thread here.
How... 13th June 09, 07:59 PM
 Wolfhawk OK, I will now have my... 14th June 09, 03:48 PM
 RainyDayPiper Slohairt, you are a gem.
... 14th June 09, 11:52 PM
 RainyDayPiper Thanks!
--Rainy Day Piper In... 15th June 09, 10:35 PM
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8th December 06, 09:27 PM
#1
Dia Dhuit!
WALKER one who who waulks or treads cloth in the process known as fulling. Thus, Walker, or rather Waulker, would be a Lowland Scots name. A Gaelic translation would be Mac an tSiúbhail (IRISH) and Mac an t-Siùbhail (SCOTTISH GAELIC).
HENDERSON Yes, you're right. It's Mac Eanruig meaning son of Henry. MacKendrick is the same name. However, one should avoid the temptation to put the Mac prefix together with the root when using the Gaelic form. That in itself is an Anglicisation! It's really a separate word.
Last edited by slohairt; 5th September 07 at 09:18 PM.
[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]John Hart[/COLOR]
Owner/Kiltmaker - Keltoi
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8th December 06, 09:37 PM
#2
I am a Passmore (the family that lived past the moor) with origins in Devonshire, but my Grandmother was a Muir...
"Durum Patientia Frango" (By patience I break what is hard) Clan Muir Muir motto
"Do well, and let them say - Gordon!"
"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members" My hero, Groucho Marx
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8th December 06, 10:14 PM
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Ah, more tricky ones!
Three methods are usually taken when performing "de-Anglicisation"
1) Straightforward de-Anglicisation: taking a name and its variants and reverting to its original form: i.e. MacDonald, MacDonnell, MacDaniel, Donaldson = Mac Domhnuill
2)Translation of a name that was not originally Gaelic: i.e. Smith = Mac a' Ghobhainn
3) Transliteration. representing the sound of the name according to Gaelic orthography. i.e. John Brown = Seán de Brún
And now for the names:
OAKLEY To the best of my knowledge, Oakley is an English name which could also mean it was found in Lowland Scotland as well. Ley or Leigh is an Anglo-Saxon word for field. Oak, is of course, oak! So, a Gaelic translation would more or less be Gort na Dara meaning field of the oak. Pronounced much as it looks. Sorry it doesn't look all that great!
BALLARD Norman-French, I'm guessing. In which case, a Gaelic transliteration would be de Ballárd.
PASSMORE I'm not really sure on this one. A translation could be Thar Mhóinteach? Not that great looking, I know.
MUIR The Lowland Scots version of the English word moor. Gaelic translation would be Móinteach (IRISH) and Mòinteach (SCOTTISH GAELIC). If you really like the Mac prefix you could render it Mac an Móintigh (IRISH) or Mac a' Mòintich (SCOTTISH GAELIC) Both mean son of the moors.
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[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]John Hart[/COLOR]
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9th December 06, 12:32 AM
#4
My name isn't Gaelic, but when Johann Brücher enlisted in the Civil War, the enlisting officer wrote down John Breecher.
Andrew.
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9th December 06, 02:17 AM
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Dia Dhuit, A Aindréis!
That's an interesting story. I'll bet it happened a lot in those days.
Breecher would be transliterated into Gaelic as Bríséir (pronounced BREESH-AIR). "Ch" is a sound that doesn't really occur officially in Gaelic. (Well, actually it does, but only in certain dialects and it's represented by the letter "t" preceded or followed by "i" or "e".) The "sh" sound as represented by "s" preceded or followed by "i" or "e" is often used to fill in for foreign sounds like "ch" or "j"
So, using the "t" variant from above, Breecher could also be rendered Brítéir (BREETCH-AIR)
Hope this wasn't baffling!
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[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]John Hart[/COLOR]
Owner/Kiltmaker - Keltoi
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28th February 08, 08:56 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by slohairt
Ah, more tricky ones!
BALLARD Norman-French, I'm guessing. In which case, a Gaelic transliteration would be de Ballárd.
Yes - I'm told it means "bald-headed" in middle French (which seems appropriate when one looks at Turpin and myself)
Animo non astutia
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28th February 08, 09:49 AM
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Yes, etymologies are quite funny sometimes. Some complimentary and apt, while others quite bizarre. Mine is 'descended from the martial bear' which I suppose was pretty macho back in the day.
[B][COLOR="DarkGreen"]John Hart[/COLOR]
Owner/Kiltmaker - Keltoi
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9th December 06, 09:52 AM
#8
The Waulkers...
 Originally Posted by slohairt
Dia Dhuit!
Walker: one who who "waulks" or treads cloth in the process known as fulling. Thus, Walker, or rather Waulker, would be a Lowland Scots name. A Gaelic translation would be Mac an tSiúbhail (IRISH) and Mac an t-Siùbhail (SCOTTISH GAELIC).
I must disagree with you strongly that Walker is a lowland name on the pointe that it is an occupational name in which many folk would both highland and lowland would take part. As further evidence I submit the existence of "Waulking Songs" sung at least in the Gaelic Hebridese... In addition I have met Walkers who were native Gaelic speakers (one "Johnny Walker" in fact). Not that there arent Walkers in the Lowlands, as well as England and Ireland, but to say that it is a Lowland name I think is very inaccurate.
I have also come across a story from a local bard to the Clan Gregor about some MacUechters (spelling?) from Balquhidder who changed their name to the closest sounding English one in order to get along with the occupiers... Thus at least one connection of Walker to MacGregor.
Anyway...just wanted to see what you came up with to double check what I've found.
Go raibh math agait (Thanks?).
Here's tae us, Whas like us... Deil the Yin!
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9th December 06, 11:13 AM
#9
Names
What an interesting thread.
My surname is Caig.
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