I usually don't scrunch my kilt hose down... just looks better pulled up and cuffed over...casual or not. My opinion and tastes though, not everyones. I too am hunting for some longer, and perhaps less expensive alternatives for everyday wear... I am beating up my other hose already, I have worn them often enough (3 pair, black, khaki, and white)...I am checking into Hamilton Dry Goods at the moment, and I may check into the Football and Rugby sock alternatives in the near future.