Where to wear the Glengarry??

[Nanook]

I'm sorry but that's hogwash. Removing one's hat when it is appropriate is a sign of courtesy and respect.

For you its a form of expressing "courtesy" and "respect". To others its a sign of submission, surrender and others still a act of meekness, humility or..

How did we get to the point where we consider bad manners to be "personal preference"? Manners are about respect for others.

That's right and NOT suggesting that others should remove their hats to conform to your cultural traditions and views. Even within many Christian denominations were the male of the flock are forbidden to cover their heads--- hats are reserved to the ordinated (leaders) men--- women are traditionally expected to wear head coverings (in the United States among some of the churches in the South its tradition for black women not just cover their heads with kerchiefs but to wear extremely ornate hats).

. A man will uncover in private spaces (homes, personal office etc.). A restaurant is considered private space because people are eating so a man will be uncovered at all times. Is that really difficult.

Not really. In many schools boys that normally don't wear hats are expected to wear hats especially during meals. There are rules about local custom and in areas where its local custom not to wear a hat on the streets (public) its acceptable that one go without a head covering but in closed spaces its time to put the hat on! I know many men and boys that only cover their heads indoors--- hat in pocket and plonked onto their heads when they enter closed buildings (or away from the public eye). Head coverings in public can also be very political. In many places some forms of hats are illegal. A Songkok or Kapiah in one place can mean prison in another. A gansta too can't just remove his bandanna as its part of his colours yet the same colours can get him arrested in large parts of the U.S. that have initiated anti-gang legislation (where some forms of self-inflicted body mutilations are sufficient evidence to be arrested as a member).

I wear hats, so do both my boys and the oldest (7) knows the basic rules. He has asked my why someone is wearing a hat at the wrong time several times.

Why do you assume the "wrong time". Perhaps its was the "right time"?
In the "big picture" from a global perspective the feeling that removing ones hat is a sign of "courtesy and respect" is perhaps even a minority view..... Your view but not everyones.

[arrogcow]

Going back to the original question (and I know I'm not going to win any friends here), my response in you should only wear it if your job entails asking,"Do you want fries with that?". I felt the same way about the stupid garrison cap I had to wear in the army as well. I just don't like the look.

Adam

[Fearnest]

Going back to the original question (and I know I'm not going to win any friends here), my response in you should only wear it if your job entails asking,"Do you want fries with that?". I felt the same way about the stupid garrison cap I had to wear in the army as well. I just don't like the look.

Adam

Thanks for the steer back onto the topic - and I'll agree with your comment on the garrison cap! NOT my favorite cap!

[Panache]

When I’m in doubt or have a question in regards to a matter of etiquette I always refer to Miss Manners as the ultimate authority, but then again I am prone to some Victorian tendencies. I imagine that how and where we are raised shapes our views on such matters of what constitutes good manners and courtesy. As an American and hat lover I would wear one in doors as much as I would fail to doff it in the presence of a Lady, which is too say, never.

As arrogcow, noted getting back to the actual question asked …

I thought glengarries were really comical looking in the catalogues, but then I saw them being worn in person at a Highland Games. My mind changed and I thought they looked really smart. I think that they take a little more flair to pull off than a balmoral. I bought my black glengarry with white and red dicing and a red torrie from Sportkilt. I decorated it with a lovely “Neveren” brooch from the Celtic Croft and I think it’s smashing. Each to their own.

Cheers

Jamie

[Mike1]

For you its a form of expressing "courtesy" and "respect". To others its a sign of submission, surrender and others still a act of meekness, humility or..

And that was me, thinking a show of respect would require one to humble one's self, thereby indicating the superiority of the other party. One of us has obviously lost the plot.

What a terrible burden you must bear, equating meek with weak.

I believe cherokeesix was asking if there were any particular dress codes pertaining to the wearing of a Glengarry. Does anyone have any further and on-topic replies for him?

[Nanook]

And that was me, thinking a show of respect would require one to humble one's self,

The acts of bowing or dipping a national flag too come to mind. U.S. custom, for instance, is to dip the flag only for President and no one else. Boorishness? Is the refusal to bow down before man or object set forth in Deuteronomy the mark of disrespect or the expression of ultimate respect for G-d over the arrogance of man? It it is your choice to bow or not but to rub your nose at those that don't (or refuse) is an internalization of patterns of cultural hegemony of the kind instrumentalized to oppress, expulse and even eliminate "others". You should be more than aware of these mechanism given your interest in Scottish nationalism.

thereby indicating the superiority of the other party.

Are we slaves or feedmen? To demand or even expect subjugation to an envisioned "superiority of the other party" is nothing short of total submission. Respect is only possible among peers.

One of us has obviously lost the plot.

Perhaps. (or the deeper cultural and historical issues at hand)

What a terrible burden you must bear, equating meek with weak.

The predicates were not to be applied in intersection but as modalities.

I believe cherokeesix was asking if there were any particular dress codes pertaining to the wearing of a Glengarry.

For one a couple of don'ts:

• Don't, as a general rule, wear dicing. Its widely considered uncivil. In much of the U.S. its probably fine since there are few associations with dicing.
• Watch out on which side the Glengarry is titlted (if at all) on the head since in some quarters (again to be probably ignored in the U.S.) it has political significance. Its typically worn on the right side of the head with the tip aligned with ones nose.
• The Glengarry is very much a military headcover and considered to be more formal than the Balmoral bonnet. That said, the mix with a Prince Charlie coatee is often considered "odd" and out of place. It can, on the other hand, look quite nice with a (black) barathea Argyll jacket as formal daywear.

[gilmore]

[QUOTE=Nanook;355551]For one a couple of don'ts:

[LIST][*]Don't, as a general rule, wear dicing. Its widely considered uncivil. In much of the U.S. its probably fine since there are few associations with dicing.[LIST]

What is the significance of dicing in the UK?

[LIST][*]Watch out on which side the Glengarry is titlted (if at all) on the head since in some quarters (again to be probably ignored in the U.S.) it has political significance.
[LIST]

What is that politcal significance?

Thanks in advance for answering.

[macwilkin]

[QUOTE=gilmore;355657]

For one a couple of don'ts:

[LIST][*]Don't, as a general rule, wear dicing. Its widely considered uncivil. In much of the U.S. its probably fine since there are few associations with dicing.[LIST]

What is the significance of dicing in the UK?

[LIST][*]Watch out on which side the Glengarry is titlted (if at all) on the head since in some quarters (again to be probably ignored in the U.S.) it has political significance.
[LIST]

What is that politcal significance?

Thanks in advance for answering.

Supposedly dicing signifies loyalty to the British Crown. It's a common legend that I've read everywhere on the Internet, but I've yet to see any real documentation for. I asked a friend of mine who was from Scotland and served in the Royal Scots, and he said he had never heard of any negative connotations with dicing before.

Regards,

Todd