Scots-Irish

[Arlen]

As far as the whole Mc and Mac thing, it is similar to the idea that Lowlanders capitalise and highlanders don't. (IE MacDonald vs Macdonald.)
They are both just anglocized ways of spelling Gaelic names. Whether they be Scots, Irish, Manx, Breton... whatever
Yes, that's right, you get Manx and Breton names which begin with Mc or Mac.
It doesn't mean Scots or Irish, it just means son of somebody who probably a while back spoke Gaelic.
Similarly, Nic means daughter of. So the name Nicolson/Nicholson etc is Daughter of Olsen. A mix of Viking and Gaelic.
And similar to that you will get names that are Scots or Irish but have a Norman or German root.

I will admit, the Mc or Mac prefix to a name does tend to be more common in Scottish names, but it isn't solely Scottish or Irish.

[macwilkin]

As far as the whole Mc and Mac thing, it is similar to the idea that Lowlanders capitalise and highlanders don't. (IE MacDonald vs Macdonald.)

The late author Norman Maclean mentions this in A river runs throught it; when Norman's bother Paul changes his last name to MacLean, Norman's father says sadly, "Now everyone will think we're Lowlanders!"

Arlen, have you ever seen the movie or read the story? You would love it -- a Scottish-American family that fly-fishes!

Regards,

Todd

[Kiltedmusiclover]

The late author Norman Maclean mentions this in A river runs throught it; when Norman's bother Paul changes his last name to MacLean, Norman's father says sadly, "Now everyone will think we're Lowlanders!"

Arlen, have you ever seen the movie or read the story? You would love it -- a Scottish-American family that fly-fishes!

Regards,

Todd

I just picked up a DVD to replace my well worn VHS copy.
It is a good story with the outstanding natural beauty of
Montana as the star.

[macwilkin]

I just picked up a DVD to replace my well worn VHS copy.
It is a good story with the outstanding natural beauty of
Montana as the star.

Nelson,

Did you know there is another movie of one of Maclean's stories?

The Ranger, the cook and a hole in the sky was made into a TV movie back in the 1990's, starring Sam Elliot is USFS Ranger Bill Bell. I was fortunate enough to find a VHS copy:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114235/

It's a nice story, nothing earth-shattering. The town scenes were filmed at the set in Mape Ridge, BC where the TV show Bordertown was filmed.

I love Maclean's writing; his father reminds me of my grandmother in terms of the Scottish Presbyterian ethos.

T.

[Arlen]

Arlen, have you ever seen the movie or read the story? You would love it -- a Scottish-American family that fly-fishes!

Regards,

Todd

I have indeed read the book and seen the movie.
For a long time my Fiance lived in Livingston, Montana where it the movie was filmed and went to school with a lot of the young kids who were in the movie.
I have to say, it is a really wonderful book.
If you enjoyed it and would like something similar, I'd reccomend Dancing at the rascal fair by Ivan Doig. Another great book about Scottish families in Montana.

[macwilkin]

I have indeed read the book and seen the movie.
For a long time my Fiance lived in Livingston, Montana where it the movie was filmed and went to school with a lot of the young kids who were in the movie.
I have to say, it is a really wonderful book.
If you enjoyed it and would like something similar, I'd reccomend Dancing at the rascal fair by Ivan Doig. Another great book about Scottish families in Montana.

Several years ago I found an audio book of Doig's "This House of Sky", his biographical account of growing up in Montana.

Maclean's other writings, especially on the Mann Gulch forest fire in the late 40's, are also worth checking out.

T.

[Phil]

Ulster Scots have a long and distinguished history in the development of America. If you are interested in finding out more have a look at this link

http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ulster-scots.html

Presidents of Scots-Irish descent were Andrew Jackson, James Knox Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses Simpson Grant, Chester Alan Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, and Woodrow Wilson.
President McKinlay said of the Scots-Irish "They were the first to proclaim for freedom in these United States; even before Lexington the Scotch Irish blood had been shed for American freedom." He was referring to a fight at Alamance River in North Carolina on May 14th, 1771, between a British force and the local Scots-Irish inhabitants.
George Washington said: "If defeated everywhere else. I will make my last stand for liberty among the Scotch Irish of my native Virginia." He obviously held them in high regard. Reading the above link will give you a good idea why.

[macwilkin]

Ulster Scots have a long and distinguished history in the development of America. If you are interested in finding out more have a look at this link

http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ulster-scots.html

Presidents of Scots-Irish descent were Andrew Jackson, James Knox Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses Simpson Grant, Chester Alan Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, and Woodrow Wilson.
President McKinlay said of the Scots-Irish "They were the first to proclaim for freedom in these United States; even before Lexington the Scotch Irish blood had been shed for American freedom." He was referring to a fight at Alamance River in North Carolina on May 14th, 1771, between a British force and the local Scots-Irish inhabitants.
George Washington said: "If defeated everywhere else. I will make my last stand for liberty among the Scotch Irish of my native Virginia." He obviously held them in high regard. Reading the above link will give you a good idea why.

James Buchanan once said, "My Ulster blood is a priceless heritage."

For one the best one volume histories of the Ulster Scots, James Leyburn's "The Scotch-Irish: a social history" is at the top of my list.

T.

[Phil]

[QUOTE=cajunscot;384395]James Buchanan once said, "My Ulster blood is a priceless heritage." QUOTE]

And of course it is said that the Buchanans are descended from a son of an Ulster king who settled in Scotland in an area known as Buth chanain hence the clan name.

[Rampant Lion]

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Presidents of Scots-Irish descent were Andrew Jackson, James Knox Polk, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses Simpson Grant, Chester Alan Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, William McKinley, Theodore Roosevelt, and Woodrow Wilson.

President Grant's name was actually Hiram Ulysses Grant. This got changed when he was registered at West Point. It stuck so he changed his name. The S in Ulysses S. Grant doesn't stand for anything.

Here's an article about it:
http://www.clangrant-us.org/ulysses_s_grant.htm

Now we return to your regularily scheduled thread topic.
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