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    just a point to keep in mind. There are those, like my dad, who believe that military tartans are always worn respectfully. A Black Watch, a specific Gordon, some others are not to be worn casual because the "blood has been spilt".

    After that it's up to you. It's one of those cultural things: like the American flag thing, we don't have that but we look down on wearing uniforms if you never served which Americans don't seem to mind.

    And this train of thought doesn't need to be explored very much, keep the mods happy.

    Or... the guy was rude and staring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    A Black Watch, a specific Gordon, some others are not to be worn casual because the "blood has been spilt".
    While I know that this is a topic that keeps repeating, I still feel obligated to point out that the Black Watch tartan is not exclusively a "uniform" it also the tartan of Clan Campbell, the district tartan for the Sutherland district, and designated as Hunting Munro and Hunting Grant.

    Best regards,

    Jake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey@Arms View Post
    While I know that this is a topic that keeps repeating, I still feel obligated to point out that the Black Watch tartan is not exclusively a "uniform" it also the tartan of Clan Campbell, the district tartan for the Sutherland district, and designated as Hunting Munro and Hunting Grant.

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    No problem, I meant it more as an awareness thing, something to add to the decision making process. Certainly not intended as censure.

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    I stopped off at the Tesco supermarket yesterday to get in some booze - friends coming to stay in a few days and the cupboard is bare.
    I'd not left my car about a minute, and was walking along the pedestrian walkway towards the store when a young woman, a complete stranger, sidled up to me with a grin and asked 'Have you got anything on under that kilt?'
    I gave her back a smile and all I could think of was a very tame 'Wouldn't you like to know.' She laughed and sauntered off.
    I was aware of a few stares and conversational asides in the store. One between a couple of guys I didn't quite catch in full, but ended in '... man in a skirt.' It's encouraging to know that, unless their education has been abnormally skimped, they know full well it's a kilt.
    The best scenarios are when someone comes out from behind an aisle and momentarily freezes.
    While I was checking out the beverages I was thinking of what I could have told that woman earlier...maybe something like:
    'Oh, do you have to wear something under these things then?'
    If said in a mock puzzled way, she still wouldn't know one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey@Arms View Post
    While I know that this is a topic that keeps repeating, I still feel obligated to point out that the Black Watch tartan is not exclusively a "uniform" it also the tartan of Clan Campbell, the district tartan for the Sutherland district, and designated as Hunting Munro and Hunting Grant.

    Best regards,

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    Jake,

    You are correct of course, but I think Archangel's point is that the history, traditions and most importantly, the sacrifices of the regiments that have worn the Government Sett and other military tartans should be respected. Surely you can support honouring & respecting those brave lads who wore the Black Watch tartan from Flanders fields to Burma's jungles?

    He's not saying not to wear them, but to honour and respect the history behind it. Woodsheal just posted a very impressive picture of the Black Watch cairn at Ft. Ticonderoga which is a very tanigble reminder of the storied history of the regiment.

    Todd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archangel View Post
    just a point to keep in mind. There are those, like my dad, who believe that military tartans are always worn respectfully. A Black Watch, a specific Gordon, some others are not to be worn casual because the "blood has been spilt".

    After that it's up to you. It's one of those cultural things: like the American flag thing, we don't have that but we look down on wearing uniforms if you never served which Americans don't seem to mind.

    And this train of thought doesn't need to be explored very much, keep the mods happy.
    Well, given the fact that I live in sweden... the likelyhood of him being aware of the History behind the Black Watch and their expoits, let alone being able to recognice the tartan as Black Watch modern.... Well lets just say that it's highly unlikely.
    Or... the guy was rude and staring.
    That's my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curnir View Post
    Well, given the fact that I live in sweden... the likelyhood of him being aware of the History behind the Black Watch and their expoits, let alone being able to recognice the tartan as Black Watch modern.... Well lets just say that it's highly unlikely.
    That's my guess.
    yeah, that basically rules that one out, go with rude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curnir View Post
    Well, given the fact that I live in sweden... the likelyhood of him being aware of the History behind the Black Watch and their expoits, let alone being able to recognice the tartan as Black Watch modern.... Well lets just say that it's highly unlikely.
    Not necessarily; the Pipes & Drums of the Swedish 1st Engineer Regiment wear the Black Watch tartan:

    http://www.sackpipa.com/eng/uniform.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunscot View Post
    Not necessarily; the Pipes & Drums of the Swedish 1st Engineer Regiment wear the Black Watch tartan:

    http://www.sackpipa.com/eng/uniform.asp

    Regards,

    Todd
    I did not know about these guys. It seems as if they're not a formal part of the swedish armed forces music corps though, rather an honorary band of the now disbanded 1st royal engineer regiment.

    But the band is still going strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curnir View Post
    I did not know about these guys. It seems as if they're not a formal part of the swedish armed forces music corps though, rather an honorary band of the now disbanded 1st royal engineer regiment.

    But the band is still going strong.
    Don't forget the Caledonian Society of Sweden:

    http://www.calsoc.se/

    Skaal!

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