Proscription plaque 1746 from MacPherson Museum

**McClef** · 15th July 07, 03:54 AM

Yes, that bit was very misleading.

**Quaich Maker** · 16th July 07, 05:56 AM

As was the bit about the sgian dubh being worn on the leg because the kilt had no pocket . What do they think a sporran is ?
In times past , a man's sgian dubh was hidden , hence it's name , often under the arm (in the armpit ), and was placed out in the open , in the legging/boot top , when visiting , as a mark of respect to the host .
Women often hid theirs in the waistband of their apron or similar.
As I was taught it anyhow .
cheers ,
QM

**sirdaniel1975** · 16th July 07, 06:07 AM

Yeah, that sgian dubh blurb is a wee bit odd.

**emolas** · 16th July 07, 08:03 PM

Very interesting, I wonder how many people were sent off to plantations for 7 years for violating this.

**ccga3359** · 16th July 07, 08:11 PM

I actually could not read the declaration. Is there a link to the transcript?

**Riverkilt** · 16th July 07, 11:40 PM

Thank you sir for the link.

I have printed a copy and plan to attach it to the outer door to my office tomorrow. Alas, I still await a decision from management despite thorough documentation of the benefits of wearing kilts in multiple areas.

Perhaps this will help drive the history home.

Ron

**ccga3359** · 17th July 07, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Riverkilt

I have printed a copy and plan to attach it to the outer door to my office tomorrow.

Ron

You're a scoundrel Ron, you know you are!

**Archangel** · 17th July 07, 04:23 PM

I'm still looking in my books for more info but can't find any solid info. I have note from university history courses but they're in the box. What I did find was that the immigration in the mid 1700 was about 20% Scots. They were generally unwelcome and didn't make good servants, go figure.
Once England has more control, later in the century, the numbers are more specific but that's not the period you're asking about.

One of the things that Scotland did not want was anybody checking the ships that came or went. This is one of the economic reasons for the wars. Scotland made significant money through ships avoiding British tariffs. One of the results of the war was the ability to impose heavier tariffs for all shipping. This, of course, lead to the American War of Independence, or Revolutionary War, depending on your perspective.

The basic tartan books give good information but they're not authoritative. Let's see what other's come up with.

**Archangel** · 17th July 07, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by emolas

Very interesting, I wonder how many people were sent off to plantations for 7 years for violating this.

I took a quick look through my books to find an actual number. They tend to refer to large numbers without specifying an amount.

Try to keep a historical perspective. Transport to the colonies was not like a penal transport. It was closer to a death sentence. In crude terms, slavery was an investment, people protect their investments. Those sent to the colonies were sold into service which was a cost. There were certain conditions to be met on termination, if the person survived. There were many factors that caused the sentence to be extended. Few of these people survived. The only real way out was escape and mingling with the colonists, which evolved into slavery along race lines.

To grasp an idea of the magnitude of this event in world history, look to the number of places in the colonies named for Cumberland, or William, or Sweet William. All these are in homage to the leader who stopped the Scots.

**mkmound** · 17th July 07, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Archangel

I took a quick look through my books to find an actual number. They tend to refer to large numbers without specifying an amount.

Try to keep a historical perspective. Transport to the colonies was not like a penal transport. It was closer to a death sentence. In crude terms, slavery was an investment, people protect their investments. Those sent to the colonies were sold into service which was a cost. There were certain conditions to be met on termination, if the person survived. There were many factors that caused the sentence to be extended. Few of these people survived. The only real way out was escape and mingling with the colonists, which evolved into slavery along race lines.

To grasp an idea of the magnitude of this event in world history, look to the number of places in the colonies named for Cumberland, or William, or Sweet William. All these are in homage to the leader who stopped the Scots.

This topic has come up a number of times here and in conversations I've had with others, but I admit I'm ignorant of the details . . . can anyone recommend some good books? Thanks!