Kilt No.79 - at last!

[macsim]

Group hug! I'm curious....this is a "Welsh" tartan but I have not been able to trace my family back to Europe yet. It gets difficult when you get back to a certain point in the tree and everyone seems to be named "Edward Edwards!" Several people in this thread have mentioned Edwards ancestry and I'm wondering if they are truly Welsh. Some names can go several ways and I've learned you can't always go by "sept lists" and "official tartans."

And yes Martin, I'd have to agree. Those Edwards folks are a dashing lot!

[davedove]

Group hug! I'm curious....this is a "Welsh" tartan but I have not been able to trace my family back to Europe yet. It gets difficult when you get back to a certain point in the tree and everyone seems to be named "Edward Edwards!" Several people in this thread have mentioned Edwards ancestry and I'm wondering if they are truly Welsh. Some names can go several ways and I've learned you can't always go by "sept lists" and "official tartans."

And yes Martin, I'd have to agree. Those Edwards folks are a dashing lot!

My Edwards line seems to be English, but I haven't been able to trace it completely yet. And, of course, many record keepers tend to think of Wales as just part of England anyway, so it COULD be Welsh. Who knows, I might be another VERY distant cousin.

Anyway, here's my Edwards cilt:

[McClef]

That is a very good idea, Trefor. I already had a longish conversation with Steve, the Scottish salesman who measured me at the Castle Arcade, Cardiff branch about my experiences. He said he would pass on my comments, but it might be more effective coming from this horse's mouth!

Thank you for the suggestion.

Something in writing is usually better than "I'll pass it on" and Tony is the Head Honcho The only thing I have actually bought in the Cardiff shop to date is a pair of black hose, everything else before the show has been done online and these orders appear to be processed for payment by Tony personally and he has also personally dealt with all my previous queries.

My Edwards line seems to be English, but I haven't been able to trace it completely yet. And, of course, many record keepers tend to think of Wales as just part of England anyway, so it COULD be Welsh. Who knows, I might be another VERY distant cousin.

With people moving around you can find Welsh surnames all over so tracing back can be difficult. The attitude of record keepers I cannot really comment on other than to point out that Wales was assimilated with England a lot earlier than Scotland was, but the Welsh Marches were a little more fluid in their borders over time and you will even find Welsh place names in parts of Herefordshire and Shropshire. The County of Monmouthshire is another case in point in that like Berwick Upon Tweed it was disputed and uncertain territory claimed by both countries and not completely and officially made part of Wales beyond doubt until the shire reforms of the 1970s and even now there are those who argue they were never consulted in a referendum as to which country they wished to be in! Trouble is what is now Monmouthshire has lost some of its original territory to "unitary authorities." Where I live was once part of that county also.

[fluter]

Anyway, here's my Edwards cilt:

And a gorgeous cilt it is: that is the one that started me to thinking about getting that tartan. Then (darn it) Hamish's friend Dave showed up in his Williams of Wales, now I want both of them. I know, I'm certain that you find this shocking. However, one of these will probably be my first made-to-measure wool [ck]ilt. Rocky, I'm saving my pennies, even as we speak.

My GGgrandmother (mother of my MacGregor/Gregg grandmother) is my Edwards, and I believe that line has been followed across the water to Wales. My Sallenger grandmother was a Williams: this one we think is Welsh, but as far as I know we have not proved it.