Shirts & Argyll Jackets

[cacunn]

Another approach that I see here is, if a person is just starting out kilted and is building a clothing collection which direction should they go? If they get a tweed Argyle jacket or one of it relatives what would you suggest?

In the states a black suit coat/sports coat would cover a lot of ground. I've seen them worn with sport shirts (knit and collared), dress shirts (button front and collar) I've even seen them worn with a pleated tux shirt and bow tie. I think the tux shirt was pushing it a little, but if it is what you have.

If you limit a black argyle to a white shirt I think it makes it look to formal even without a tie. I also think that a white shirt does not look good with all tartans. IMHO the mass of white can overpower some tartans.

Ideally I would have at least three argyle jacket in tweed or colors, two black, one silver button one black buttons, and a PC. I would make sure that they work well with my 95 different kilts and 297 pairs of hose and flashes. I forgot that I would have the upstairs made arrange the kilts, the down stairs maid brush the jackets, the butler lay every thing out. Hold it I work for the US Government I can barely afford the five kilts I have.

[cacunn]

A possible poll question for someone versed in setting up polls.

Is a black argyle jacket similar to:
1) a tux jacket
2) suit jacket

I would be interested in the results.

[Bob C]

A possible poll question for someone versed in setting up polls.

Is a black argyle jacket similar to:
1) a tux jacket
2) suit jacket

I would be interested in the results.

It's the suit jacket, clearly. The Prince Charlie is the equivalent of the tux and a Montrose or Sheriffmuir is the equivalent of tails.

I need to amend my earlier statement, though. A tweed Argyll, such as in the pic I posted, certainly is much like a sport coat.

[slohairt]

I agree, the Argyll (whether tweed or barathea) is the equivalent of the sports jacket/blazer/suit jacket.

[James MacMillan]

It's the suit jacket, clearly. The Prince Charlie is the equivalent of the tux and a Montrose or Sheriffmuir is the equivalent of tails.
A tweed Argyll, is a sport coat.

That says it!!

But also -

Almost any Saxon coat, could be converted into a coat/jacket suitable for wear with a kilt.

Many of the members have done it themselves, and a few of us have also taken a saxon coat to a tailer and had it done. It's a good, cheap, way to go!

[Jock Scot]

Bob C has it nearly right whan he says"the Prince Charlie is equivalent to a tux(YES!) and a Montrose/Sheriffmuir is equivalent to tails(YES!.Evening tails ,White tie etc.).A tweed Argyll is equivalent to a sports coat"(NO!NO!NO!).My words in brackets.

Let me explain.A TWEED Argyll is equivalent to a suit.A BLACK SILVER BUTTONED Argyll is equivalent to a MORNING SUIT,the sort of tailed suit that is for a really formal wedding.

There is not really a sports coat in kilt terms.There is no reason to say that you can't wear a tweed Argyll as a sports coat if you want to.It just pays to know what you are doing though.

[Jock Scot]

Another approach that I see here is, if a person is just starting out kilted and is building a clothing collection which direction should they go? If they get a tweed Argyle jacket or one of it relatives what would you suggest?

In the states a black suit coat/sports coat would cover a lot of ground. I've seen them worn with sport shirts (knit and collared), dress shirts (button front and collar) I've even seen them worn with a pleated tux shirt and bow tie. I think the tux shirt was pushing it a little, but if it is what you have.

If you limit a black argyle to a white shirt I think it makes it look to formal even without a tie. I also think that a white shirt does not look good with all tartans. IMHO the mass of white can overpower some tartans.

Ideally I would have at least three argyle jacket in tweed or colors, two black, one silver button one black buttons, and a PC. I would make sure that they work well with my 95 different kilts and 297 pairs of hose and flashes. I forgot that I would have the upstairs made arrange the kilts, the down stairs maid brush the jackets, the butler lay every thing out. Hold it I work for the US Government I can barely afford the five kilts I have.

If it helps at all.I have three kilts,all of the same tartan.One that fits me well.

I have one PC with waistcoat.For dinners etc..

I have one black Argyll with waistcoat and with interchangable silver/black buttons.For formal weddings mainly.

I have one tweed Argyll with waistcoat that does for anything and everything that might require a suit.Weddings and funerals mainly. That is it and that type of wardrobe has,more or less,seen me through for the past 50 odd years.

[Galician]

Okay, now I'd like to poll about the value of a vest/waistcoat with a black Argyll. I don't have one myself, and have been wondering whether it's worth it, and if so, what would work best.

[MacWage]

In the context of this thread . . .
Here is Turpin and I from the Peachtree Corners ARP Kirking of the Tartan Service in Norcross, Georgia (USA):

Turpin is in a Braemar with a blue tie and I am in an Argyle with vest and tartan tie. In this case, we are both in white shirts and have black jackets.

[Jock Scot]

Okay, now I'd like to poll about the value of a vest/waistcoat with a black Argyll. I don't have one myself, and have been wondering whether it's worth it, and if so, what would work best.

A tweed Argyll with waistcoat/vest will see you through almost any event,at a push,that is not formal.There are exceptions though!

We were at a super smart ultra formal wedding the other day and there were several tweed Argylls on show and no one raised an eye brow.One of them clad in tweed was Donald Cameron of Loch Eil!Another was me!