Jewish Tartan

[Daaaaang]

Blue & white would make a great Jewish tartan; It's the colours of the Israeli flag, as well as the Tallis (Prayer Shawl); Maybe a touch of gold (for the Menorah)?

It sounds like the XMarks tartan would make a perfect Jewish tartan!

[gilmore]

At the same site I found this: http://www.theglasgowstory.com/image...%26search%3D99

(sorry, I don't know how to put the photo here)

The caption and accompanying text is:

"The Jewish Lads' Brigade Band in the 1930s.

The Jewish Lads' Brigade (JLB) was formed in 1895 in London. The first Glasgow branch was established in 1903 and was particularly active in the Gorbals. By June 1904 there were 125 members and an increasing membership mean that there were soon three groups in operation. The JLB had the same discipline as other youth organisations such as the Boys' Brigade and its members were trained in rifle drill, foot drill, map reading, Morse code and so on. There were also summer camps which enabled the boys to have a holiday away from the city.

One major difference between the JLB and other youth groups was the intention that JLB membership would help the children of immigrants integrate themselves into their new surroundings and learn to be good citizens. Accordingly the Glasgow JLB adopted a number of Scottish traditions including establishing what was claimed to be the world's only all-Jewish pipe band.

Reference: PHO.J.0001

Reproduced with the permission of the Scottish Jewish Archives Centre "

I can't tell what the tartan is in the black and white photo, or even if the kilts are tartan. They are dark.

[Sardious]

I have a Jewish friend in Missouri and he wears some kilt from something on his grandmothers side. Some relation. But there are kilts that are not traditional and have a design. Like a red kilt with a white maple leaf. Why not a white type kilt with a blue star of david on it. and in the back pleat it right to get a star on the back in the pleats. I'm sure it is plausable if someone wanted it

[gilmore]

I have a Jewish friend in Missouri and he wears some kilt from something on his grandmothers side. Some relation. But there are kilts that are not traditional and have a design. Like a red kilt with a white maple leaf. Why not a white type kilt with a blue star of david on it. and in the back pleat it right to get a star on the back in the pleats. I'm sure it is plausable if someone wanted it

I am guessing you don't have much experience with kilts with a lot of white or light colors in them. They get dirty much more easily (well, it shows more readily) than darker kilts, requiring cleaning and all the expense and trouble (sometimes basting the pleats and pressing them) that goes with that.

The diagonal lines of a pleated mogen david would necessitate running the fabric through a loom twice, as do those of a pleated saltire, making it an expensive proposition, even if enough buyers could be found to make the cost anywhere close to realistic.

[Sardious]

thanks for the answer. No i have NO experience with a mostly white kilt. Most kilts are not mostly white, probably for reasons you just said. I had just seen the one with the canadiam maple leaf and thought out loud. now I know why it does not make sense though. Much thanks

[gilmore]

I am posting the photo referred to above of the Jewish Lads Brigade band:



For those who wish to wear a Jewish-related kilt, I haven't seen a more authentic option with deeper historical roots, within the context of kilts as worn by Scots. The band's kilts appear to be of a solid color, not tartan, in the photo, and since it's in black and white, unfortunately we can't see what color that is, but they are dark (or read dark in B&W.) Could they be Black Watch?

The lengths of the kilts are interesting. Some come below the knee, while others are at least two to three inches or more above it.

[gilmore]

"A parade celebrating the opening of the Jewish Scout Hall in Queen's Drive, Sunday 1 June, 1958.

The Jewish community on the South Side of Glasgow had put a great deal of time and effort into raising funds for the 93rd (Norman) Boy Scout Group's new scout hall and organised a great celebration for its opening. Scouts, guides, brownies and cubs took part in the parade. There was also a service at Langside Synagogue in Niddrie Road before the Colour Party and Officiants proceeded to the new hall, followed by the congregation. A mezuzah was affixed to the hall entrance and the hall itself consecrated, before being officially opened. A reception followed, with speeches given on behalf of the Scout Movement, Glasgow Corporation (which had donated the land) and the Parents and Finance Committee."



"The opening of the Jewish Scout Hall in Queen's Drive on Sunday 1 June 1958.

The 93rd Boy Scout Group was formed in 1941 at the Queen's Park Synagogue. After the Second World War there were proposals to set up a second scout group in the area, but they were frustrated due to a shortage of adult helpers. Eventually it was decided to amalgamate the 93rd with the proposed new group and form the 93rd (Norman) Boy Scout Group. The group was named for Norman Markson, an Assistant Cubmaster who had died on active service in the Second World War.

The new scout group met at first at Strathbungo School, but raised funds to build its own scout hall. It opened in 1958 on a site in Queen's Drive provided by Glasgow Corporation.

The scout hall closed in 2002 and in 2004 the building is home to Poppins Kindergarten."

No uniformity in tartans here. Anyone want to guess what they are?
Could the second from the left be Gordon?

[pipesndrumsnun]

I was thinking that the X-Marks tartan and the Clark/Clergy would both be good...very much like the prayer shawl!

[gilmore]

Earlier posted pic with caption:


"The 155th Boy Scout Group (1st Glasgow Jewish) at Garnethill Synagogue, c 1930s.

Founded in 1928, the 155th Scout Group was the first Jewish scout group in Glasgow. It began with fifteen members but numbers soon grew and more Jewish scout groups were set up in other parts of the city.

Many of the boys are wearing kilts as part of their uniforms. To the right, one boy holds the company flag featuring the Star of David just visible on it. The flag on the left appears to be the Union Jack."

[gilmore]

Another photo of the parade celebrating the opening of the Jewish Boy Scout Hall in 1958:



"A parade for the opening of the 93rd (Norman) Boy Scout Group's scout hall in 1958.

The procession appears to be coming from Queen's Park, along Balvicar Street, passing Camphill Queen's Park Church on its way to the new Jewish Scout Hall in Queen's Drive. The boy scouts lead the way, with the cubs following and the girl guides and brownies bringing up the rear. The tenements which can just be seen next to the church were subsequently demolished and replaced in 2003-2004 with executive flats."