I agree about the wing collars. I think they look really weird, and much prefer the look of lay down collars. One of the reasons I started this whole thread was to clarify that it is not just "okay" to wear a lay down up through black tie, but that it is actually "proper".

Thanks for the articles too, everybody, they are really helpful.

If I ever need to go to a white tie event (my own wedding? I dunno) I will get the stand up collar, but until then, I'm happy to never have to touch one.

If anyone has anything else to say, I'm curious about how people feel.

Oh, and yes, I suppose I am talking only about formal wear. Have there ever been rules for casual attire? If there were, I doubt we would be as much of a disagreeing rabble as we are.