X Marks the Scot - An on-line community of kilt wearers.

   X Marks Partners - (Go to the Partners Dedicated Forums )
USA Kilts website Celtic Croft website Celtic Corner website Houston Kiltmakers

User Tag List

Results 1 to 8 of 8
  1. #1
    Join Date
    27th January 08
    Location
    Fayetteville, NC, USA
    Posts
    132
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Church of Scotland tartan?

    I looked for a Church of Scotland or Presbyterian Church in the USA tartan on the ITI, but I don't find one. Is there not such a beast, and if not, is there some theological reason why not? Seems a rather obvious trapping, if you ask me!
    But then I'm an American...
    Cheerio mates,
    Mark

  2. #2
    macwilkin is offline
    Retired Forum Moderator
    Forum Historian

    Join Date
    22nd June 04
    Posts
    9,938
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by glenlivet View Post
    I looked for a Church of Scotland or Presbyterian Church in the USA tartan on the ITI, but I don't find one. Is there not such a beast, and if not, is there some theological reason why not? Seems a rather obvious trapping, if you ask me!
    But then I'm an American...
    Cheerio mates,
    Mark
    Many Presbyterian clergy use the clergy tartan. I am not aware of an official tartan for the Kirk, though.

    As an alternate tartan, I sometimes recommend the Douglas tartan, in honour of the Cameronian Regiment, which was originally formed from the supporters of the noted Covenanter, Richard Cameron.

    Regards,

    Todd

  3. #3
    M. A. C. Newsome is offline
    INACTIVE

    Contributing Tartan Historian
    Join Date
    26th January 05
    Location
    Western NC
    Posts
    5,714
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The idea of denomination-specific tartans is rather new. After all, there really were no such thing as a "religious tartan" in the past. Tartans were worn to show clan affiliation, or district affiliation, etc. Not one's faith. Even the Clergy tartan was worn as an occupational tartan, not a "religious" tartan.

    That being said, there have been some attempts to create tartans for various denominations.

    An "Episcopal Clergy" tartan was "designed and copyrighted by Rev. John B. Pahls, 1966, to honor the clergy of the Scottish Episcopal church and of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America and to commemorate the bicentenary of the death of the Right Reverend Samuel Seabury, first American bishop" (from STA notes). Note that this is the Episcopal Clergy tartan, which really makes it still an occupational tartan, just more specific than the traditional clergy tartan. It's not a "tartan for all Episcopals."

    In 2001 the House of Edgar designed a tartan for the Baptist Union of Scotland. This is not an occupational clergy tartan, but neither is it a tartan for "all Baptists." It is more specific to the BU of Scotland.

    Now a couple of years later in 2005 the House of Edgar was commissioned to design a "Methodist Church" tartan. The STA notes on this one are scant, so I really can't say anything about why it was designed or for whom. It could have been designed for a specific Methodist church, or it could very well have been designed for the denomination as a whole. I really can't say. I'd suggest contacting House of Edgar for more details on that if anyone is interested.

    Of course tartans have been designed for particular churches. Just a few I find in the ITI; Freemont Presbyterian Church, Trinity Presbyterian Church, New Providence Presbyterian Church. And you won't find it in the ITI just yet because I just designed it, but there is a new one for the Barbecue Presbyterian Church of Sanford, NC, for their 250th anniversary.

    But as far as I know there has never been an attempt to design a tartan for the Presbyterian denomination as a whole.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    2nd October 04
    Location
    Page/Lake Powell, Arizona USA
    Posts
    14,268
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Barbeque Presbyterian Church???? thought you were kidding Matt but there really is a Barbecue Presbyterian Church.

    The Christians may yet round me up with a teaser like that. My grandma was a devout Presbyterian and dang, I sure do love North Carolina style BBQ....and their own tartan! What a package for fun until salvation!

    Ron
    Ol' Macdonald himself, a proud son of Skye and Cape Breton Island
    Lifetime Member STA. Two time winner of Utilikiltarian of the Month.
    "I'll have a kilt please, a nice hand sewn tartan, 16 ounce Strome. Oh, and a sporran on the side, with a strap please."

  5. #5
    Join Date
    29th April 07
    Location
    Columbia, SC USA
    Posts
    2,132
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Riverkilt View Post
    Barbeque Presbyterian Church???? thought you were kidding Matt but there really is a Barbecue Presbyterian Church.
    And they even came from Jura and Skye: Ron, I think this one is calling your name.

    I sure do love North Carolina style BBQ....and their own tartan! What a package for fun until salvation!
    Ahh, but which style of North Carolina style BBQ: there are three, you know! but that's another [off] topic. I wonder what kind they made in 1758, when the church was founded?
    Ken Sallenger - apprentice kiltmaker, journeyman curmudgeon,
    gainfully unemployed systems programmer

  6. #6
    Join Date
    27th January 08
    Location
    Fayetteville, NC, USA
    Posts
    132
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by fluter View Post
    And they even came from Jura and Skye: Ron, I think this one is calling your name.



    Ahh, but which style of North Carolina style BBQ: there are three, you know! but that's another [off] topic. I wonder what kind they made in 1758, when the church was founded?
    Had me wondering if Matt designed the tartan so that the colours would disguise any of that VINEGAR-BASED bbq sauce...
    tee hee,
    Mark

  7. #7
    Join Date
    2nd October 04
    Location
    Page/Lake Powell, Arizona USA
    Posts
    14,268
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Do so love the Piedmont style BBQ...a la Holden's BBQ near Youngsville, NC.

    Hope its still there...it was like a "church" to me...'cept I never got up the nerve to do communion with Brunswick Stew....they said it was squirrel but I always guessed road kill...but the BBQ sandwich was to die for.

    Strangely, there used to be a N.C. BBQ place down in Tucson on St. Mary's not too far off I-10 that made that same vinegar based Piedmont style BBQ.

    Know I'm drifting off topic...but right now I'm overwhelmed with euphoric recall of a BBQ Sandwich from Holden's BBQ in Youngsville, N.C....or least ways, out by the highway from Youngsville.

    Today, I'd go there kilted....

    Ron
    Ol' Macdonald himself, a proud son of Skye and Cape Breton Island
    Lifetime Member STA. Two time winner of Utilikiltarian of the Month.
    "I'll have a kilt please, a nice hand sewn tartan, 16 ounce Strome. Oh, and a sporran on the side, with a strap please."

  8. #8
    Join Date
    20th February 06
    Location
    the desolate sandy wastes of Tucson, Sonora Desert, Baja Arizona, USA
    Posts
    1,009
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Riverkilt View Post
    There used to be a N.C. BBQ place down in Tucson on St. Mary's not too far off I-10 that made that same vinegar based Piedmont style BBQ.
    That'd be Art's BBQ. Tasty!
    - The Beertigger
    "The only one, since 1969."

Similar Threads

  1. Pride of Scotland wool-blend tartan kilts for ~$50 each!
    By motorman4life in forum General Kilt Talk
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 2nd July 08, 11:16 AM
  2. A day at church
    By turpin in forum Show us your pics
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 13th September 07, 01:34 PM
  3. Kilted at Church
    By Frank McGrath in forum General Kilt Talk
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 7th June 06, 07:33 PM
  4. Church Fayre
    By Derek in forum General Kilt Talk
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 30th August 04, 02:41 AM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

» Log in

User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v4.2.0