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30th January 08, 01:16 PM
#1
Church of Scotland tartan?
I looked for a Church of Scotland or Presbyterian Church in the USA tartan on the ITI, but I don't find one. Is there not such a beast, and if not, is there some theological reason why not? Seems a rather obvious trapping, if you ask me!
But then I'm an American...
Cheerio mates,
Mark
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30th January 08, 01:24 PM
#2
Originally Posted by glenlivet
I looked for a Church of Scotland or Presbyterian Church in the USA tartan on the ITI, but I don't find one. Is there not such a beast, and if not, is there some theological reason why not? Seems a rather obvious trapping, if you ask me!
But then I'm an American...
Cheerio mates,
Mark
Many Presbyterian clergy use the clergy tartan. I am not aware of an official tartan for the Kirk, though.
As an alternate tartan, I sometimes recommend the Douglas tartan, in honour of the Cameronian Regiment, which was originally formed from the supporters of the noted Covenanter, Richard Cameron.
Regards,
Todd
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30th January 08, 01:38 PM
#3
The idea of denomination-specific tartans is rather new. After all, there really were no such thing as a "religious tartan" in the past. Tartans were worn to show clan affiliation, or district affiliation, etc. Not one's faith. Even the Clergy tartan was worn as an occupational tartan, not a "religious" tartan.
That being said, there have been some attempts to create tartans for various denominations.
An "Episcopal Clergy" tartan was "designed and copyrighted by Rev. John B. Pahls, 1966, to honor the clergy of the Scottish Episcopal church and of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America and to commemorate the bicentenary of the death of the Right Reverend Samuel Seabury, first American bishop" (from STA notes). Note that this is the Episcopal Clergy tartan, which really makes it still an occupational tartan, just more specific than the traditional clergy tartan. It's not a "tartan for all Episcopals."
In 2001 the House of Edgar designed a tartan for the Baptist Union of Scotland. This is not an occupational clergy tartan, but neither is it a tartan for "all Baptists." It is more specific to the BU of Scotland.
Now a couple of years later in 2005 the House of Edgar was commissioned to design a "Methodist Church" tartan. The STA notes on this one are scant, so I really can't say anything about why it was designed or for whom. It could have been designed for a specific Methodist church, or it could very well have been designed for the denomination as a whole. I really can't say. I'd suggest contacting House of Edgar for more details on that if anyone is interested.
Of course tartans have been designed for particular churches. Just a few I find in the ITI; Freemont Presbyterian Church, Trinity Presbyterian Church, New Providence Presbyterian Church. And you won't find it in the ITI just yet because I just designed it, but there is a new one for the Barbecue Presbyterian Church of Sanford, NC, for their 250th anniversary.
But as far as I know there has never been an attempt to design a tartan for the Presbyterian denomination as a whole.
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30th January 08, 09:42 PM
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Barbeque Presbyterian Church???? thought you were kidding Matt but there really is a Barbecue Presbyterian Church.
The Christians may yet round me up with a teaser like that. My grandma was a devout Presbyterian and dang, I sure do love North Carolina style BBQ....and their own tartan! What a package for fun until salvation!
Ron
Ol' Macdonald himself, a proud son of Skye and Cape Breton Island
Lifetime Member STA. Two time winner of Utilikiltarian of the Month.
"I'll have a kilt please, a nice hand sewn tartan, 16 ounce Strome. Oh, and a sporran on the side, with a strap please."
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31st January 08, 09:47 AM
#5
Originally Posted by Riverkilt
Barbeque Presbyterian Church???? thought you were kidding Matt but there really is a Barbecue Presbyterian Church.
And they even came from Jura and Skye: Ron, I think this one is calling your name.
I sure do love North Carolina style BBQ....and their own tartan! What a package for fun until salvation!
Ahh, but which style of North Carolina style BBQ: there are three, you know! but that's another [off] topic. I wonder what kind they made in 1758, when the church was founded?
Ken Sallenger - apprentice kiltmaker, journeyman curmudgeon,
gainfully unemployed systems programmer
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1st February 08, 02:34 PM
#6
Originally Posted by fluter
And they even came from Jura and Skye: Ron, I think this one is calling your name.
Ahh, but which style of North Carolina style BBQ: there are three, you know! but that's another [off] topic. I wonder what kind they made in 1758, when the church was founded?
Had me wondering if Matt designed the tartan so that the colours would disguise any of that VINEGAR-BASED bbq sauce...
tee hee,
Mark
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1st February 08, 07:17 PM
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Do so love the Piedmont style BBQ...a la Holden's BBQ near Youngsville, NC.
Hope its still there...it was like a "church" to me...'cept I never got up the nerve to do communion with Brunswick Stew....they said it was squirrel but I always guessed road kill...but the BBQ sandwich was to die for.
Strangely, there used to be a N.C. BBQ place down in Tucson on St. Mary's not too far off I-10 that made that same vinegar based Piedmont style BBQ.
Know I'm drifting off topic...but right now I'm overwhelmed with euphoric recall of a BBQ Sandwich from Holden's BBQ in Youngsville, N.C....or least ways, out by the highway from Youngsville.
Today, I'd go there kilted....
Ron
Ol' Macdonald himself, a proud son of Skye and Cape Breton Island
Lifetime Member STA. Two time winner of Utilikiltarian of the Month.
"I'll have a kilt please, a nice hand sewn tartan, 16 ounce Strome. Oh, and a sporran on the side, with a strap please."
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1st February 08, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverkilt
There used to be a N.C. BBQ place down in Tucson on St. Mary's not too far off I-10 that made that same vinegar based Piedmont style BBQ.
That'd be Art's BBQ. Tasty!
- The Beertigger
"The only one, since 1969."
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