With time more diverse kilt wearing

[Erisianmonkey]

I had no idea that the kilt was the only garment in the world to grab so much attention. I guess all of the fashion shows I see on TV are just hype, and there really is no concern about any garment other than the kilt. And I was also unaware that anyone with a Scottish last name and not wearing the kilt were somehow afraid of their heritage. And which principles were those that kilt wearing is in conflict with? And why do people in this thread seem to be stuck on the Victorian Era, and Prince Charlie coate, and converting others to kilt wearing? Jamie has posted some fine pictures of him dressed well in the kilt, including in a t-shirt, did a PC get airbrushed in after I had seen the pic?

I said single garment. And what I said is that there are a lot of people who don't have a personal style that leans towards dressy or formal did not know that a kilt can be worn casually, or even ultra-casual, as I do.

Are you actually reading the same thread? Where did I state that I think a kilt is only correct if worn with a PC, or in a Victorian/19th century way? I didn't. I said nothing even close to that. I actually referenced a picture of Jamie in a t-shirt as a wonderful example of wearing a kilt casually. If you look on another thread I remarked that walking boots, scrunched hose and an Arran sweater were a fine looking outfit. It's something even I have done and I think it looks quite good.

Obviously where we disagree is on out definition of casual. I think casual is fine, I think grundge/slovenly is not. I don't know where you stand on that since you made up where my stance is.

I was speaking specifically to those who wear a kilt for reasons other than their heritage and my point was that while they have the "right" to do what they want they should respect the fact that the garment means something to others and they may have differing opinions. If as you say you wear the kilt because of your heritage then you should understand that, no matter how you think the kilt should be worn.

Yes, I have an opinion on how I think a kilt should be worn. It means a great deal to me. I don't presume to "dictate" to anyone how they should dress, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. While I may not like it I respect their "right" to do it. No one has to agree with my opinion but they should understand and respect where that opinion comes from.

What you have said is that "a proper kilt is not that casual a garment." You have said that people with "slovenly" or "grundge" styles shouldn't wear a kilt. You have stated that people who don't wear the kilt in the manner that you do are not respectful of the kilt's origins. You have intimated that only those who wear a kilt in the manner you do respect Scots heritage. I reject that and since you are claiming that I have twisted your words while twisting mine I think that we can agree to disagree right here and respect that each of us wears a kilt in our own way for our own reasons. The one thing I will ask of you is to recognize that even though I wear my kilt with a muscle shirt, ranger vest, and sandals I respect my Scots heritage and I am damned proud of it. I'm a slob, I'll admit it, but that does not mean I don't respect my ancestors.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm getting out of this thread before my anger turns into animosity. My final shot here is to say that anyone who says I don't respect my heritage can kiss my pleats.

[Chef]

What you have said is that "a proper kilt is not that casual a garment."

That I did say. A proper kilt is (even in it's less expensive forms) a tailored and somewhat costly item of clothing. It doesn't fit with clothes that are meant for mucking out horse stalls. I wouldn't wear an expensive pair of tailored trousers to muck the horse stalls either.

You have said that people with "slovenly" or "grundge" styles shouldn't wear a kilt.

No I said it bothers me. I also said I wouldn't call my congressman to ask for legislation against it. In other words I respect your right to be a slob, I just don't have to like it.

You have stated that people who don't wear the kilt in the manner that you do are not respectful of the kilt's origins.

No I didn't. I said I wear it in a certain manner because of what it means to me. My problem is with those who disrespect the opinions of others for whom the kilt has a meaning.

I think that we can agree to disagree right here and respect that each of us wears a kilt in our own way for our own reasons.

I can only presume we disagree since you have put words in my mouth to disagree with.

The one thing I will ask of you is to recognize that even though I wear my kilt with a muscle shirt, ranger vest, and sandals I respect my Scots heritage and I am damned proud of it. I'm a slob, I'll admit it, but that does not mean I don't respect my ancestors.

My final shot here is to say that anyone who says I don't respect my heritage can kiss my pleats.

I never said you didn't respect your heritage and, as a Scotsman, I am glad you are proud of it. All I ask is that you respect why I may not like with your views on kilts, even though you don't agree with it.

And based on your own admission of being a slob I think I'll pass on the pleats if it's all the same to you?