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    24 hours later and I'm still put off about this. I think it no coincidence that the barman chose March as the month to ban this song and because the lyrics were written by an Englishman. The is a little ditty that is quite popular south of the border entitled "Star Spangled Banner". I'm curious if this song is banned during the month of July as the tune is originally an English drinking song composed by Englishman John Stafford Smith. Kudos though to Francis Scott Key for his updated powerful lyrics. Getting off the soap box now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccga3359 View Post
    24 hours later and I'm still put off about this. I think it no coincidence that the barman chose March as the month to ban this song and because the lyrics were written by an Englishman. The is a little ditty that is quite popular south of the border entitled "Star Spangled Banner". I'm curious if this song is banned during the month of July as the tune is originally an English drinking song composed by Englishman John Stafford Smith. Kudos though to Francis Scott Key for his updated powerful lyrics. Getting off the soap box now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajunscot View Post
    You're not the only one, Graham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccga3359 View Post
    24 hours later and I'm still put off about this. I think it no coincidence that the barman chose March as the month to ban this song and because the lyrics were written by an Englishman. The is a little ditty that is quite popular south of the border entitled "Star Spangled Banner". I'm curious if this song is banned during the month of July as the tune is originally an English drinking song composed by Englishman John Stafford Smith. Kudos though to Francis Scott Key for his updated powerful lyrics. Getting off the soap box now.
    Of course not! We love "Anacreon in Heaven".

    On a more general note, throughout the 19th C. national melody collections were published by all manner of publishers. The fact that many of the tunes did not in fact originate in the claimed nations, didn't bother the publishers or the public one bit. These collections sold like hot cakes and were just another element of the emergent sheet music industry. A second resurgence came with advent of recorded music and this time the ancient national tunes were recorded, even if they had to be written just for the occasion. The one that springs to mind from the late 18th C is "All Those Endearing Young Charms" from Moores Irish Melodies published in 1804. It was an English waltz but sounded Irish enough for inclusion. The lyrics were added in the mid 19th C and the rest is "history" or so they tell me.

    I know that Danny Boy is overplayed but I heard a man sing it in church once and my eyes just unloaded!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amoskeag View Post
    I know that Danny Boy is overplayed but I heard a man sing it in church once and my eyes just unloaded!
    Amazing Grace always does it for me. Can a song that evokes so much emotion ever be overplayed. It's possible that one is not in the mood to hear it at that particular time. Star Spangled Banner with the right voice and a certain pause before "And the rocket's red glare..." Wow!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amoskeag View Post
    The one that springs to mind from the late 18th C is "All Those Endearing Young Charms" from Moores Irish Melodies published in 1804. It was an English waltz but sounded Irish enough for inclusion. The lyrics were added in the mid 19th C and the rest is "history" or so they tell me.
    And then it was used for Tennessee's state song, albeit with slight modification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccga3359 View Post
    24 hours later and I'm still put off about this. I think it no coincidence that the barman chose March as the month to ban this song and because the lyrics were written by an Englishman. The is a little ditty that is quite popular south of the border entitled "Star Spangled Banner". I'm curious if this song is banned during the month of July as the tune is originally an English drinking song composed by Englishman John Stafford Smith. Kudos though to Francis Scott Key for his updated powerful lyrics. Getting off the soap box now.
    Isn't there another popular US song called "My Country 'Tis of Thee" that is just different lyrics set to "God Save the Queen"? A bit funny to have a patriotic song based off the anthem of your former ruler, I think.

    Quote Originally Posted by ccga3359 View Post
    Amazing Grace always does it for me. Can a song that evokes so much emotion ever be overplayed. It's possible that one is not in the mood to hear it at that particular time. Star Spangled Banner with the right voice and a certain pause before "And the rocket's red glare..." Wow!
    My sister can't listen to Amazing Grace anymore because a piper played it at my other sister's burial at sea. It can be a very emotional song and no other instrument but the pipes can do it justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emolas View Post
    Isn't there another popular US song called "My Country 'Tis of Thee" that is just different lyrics set to "God Save the Queen"? A bit funny to have a patriotic song based off the anthem of your former ruler, I think.
    I did not know that.

    Quote Originally Posted by emolas View Post
    My sister can't listen to Amazing Grace anymore because a piper played it at my other sister's burial at sea. It can be a very emotional song and no other instrument but the pipes can do it justice.
    Unfortunatly this may be the same situation that so many are introduced to the song, this and the only Bible passage I know Psalm 23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emolas View Post
    Isn't there another popular US song called "My Country 'Tis of Thee" that is just different lyrics set to "God Save the Queen"? A bit funny to have a patriotic song based off the anthem of your former ruler, I think.
    The tune, with different lyrics was also, at one time, the anthem of Germany, Austria, and (I believe) for a short time Russia. Like Deutschland Uber Alles, it is based on a simple Christian hymn.

    Regarding the National Anthem of the United States, it has only been "official" since 1931. Prior to that numerous patriotic songs stood in its place, including Battle Hymn of the Republic and Hail Columbia.

    With regard to The Star Spangled Banner my favourite verse is the fourth verse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    The tune, with different lyrics was also, at one time, the anthem of Germany, Austria, and (I believe) for a short time Russia. Like Deutschland Uber Alles, it is based on a simple Christian hymn.
    It is also the Royal Anthem of Norway and the Anthem of Lichtenstein.

    As to Deutschland Uber Alles the tune was originally the Imperial anthem of Austria, composed by Joseph Haydn http://www.viennaonline-ezine.com/ai/ai0302.html although of course it's used as a hymn tune also.
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