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31st March 08, 03:53 PM
#1
I like the tartan and really like the historic Scotland tartan. As for why a second tartan perhaps we should ask some of the clans why they have multiple tartans.
Maybe the tartan police can get a tartan law that allows only one tartan per clan and you can only wear the tartan of your clan and then only on the second Tuesday of the fifth week of the month when the moon is in the seventh house and ........
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31st March 08, 04:16 PM
#2
 Originally Posted by cacunn
I like the tartan and really like the historic Scotland tartan. As for why a second tartan perhaps we should ask some of the clans why they have multiple tartans.
Maybe the tartan police can get a tartan law that allows only one tartan per clan and you can only wear the tartan of your clan and then only on the second Tuesday of the fifth week of the month when the moon is in the seventh house and ........
Not a good analogy, though...technically, we're talking about a uniform for guides employed for Historic Scotland, not a clan:
http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Ca...-in.3921441.jp
Again, it would be nice to know the reasoning behind the adoption of the new tartan. I'm not necessarily opposed to the new one, but what was wrong with the old one? 
T.
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31st March 08, 09:01 PM
#3
For what it's worth, I think it makes the bloke in the middle look too "girlie". Maybe it's his boots... Or maybe it IS Charles Hawtrey!!!
Last edited by MacMillan of Rathdown; 31st March 08 at 09:09 PM.
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1st April 08, 02:40 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by cacunn
Maybe the tartan police can get a tartan law that allows only one tartan per clan and you can only wear the tartan of your clan and then only on the second Tuesday of the fifth week of the month when the moon is in the seventh house and
Since Edinburgh Castle is a part of Historic Scotland, and the guides of Historic Scotland have traditionally worn the same corporate tartan, asking why a new tartan was necessary, especially since the old one is of a very pleasing design, is completely legitimate in this forum.
Last edited by Scotus; 1st April 08 at 02:53 AM.
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1st April 08, 02:55 AM
#5
 Originally Posted by Scotus
Since Edinburgh Castle is a part of Historic Scotland, and the guides of Historic Scotland have traditionally worn the same corporate tartan, asking why a new tartan was necessary is completely fair. Contrary to myth, a clan tartan is not a uniform.
Precisely my point. And what is more the Historic Scotland tartan is optional to wear as it is and I have only seen it worn at Caerlaverock Castle out of all the sites I have visited - most male staff seem to prefer trousers not only at Edinburgh but also at Stirling which is probably Historic Scotland's second most visited site.
As the illustration shows, it's a lovely tartan and I wish more staff would wear it.
[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
(Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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2nd April 08, 08:56 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by Scotus
Since Edinburgh Castle is a part of Historic Scotland, and the guides of Historic Scotland have traditionally worn the same corporate tartan, asking why a new tartan was necessary, especially since the old one is of a very pleasing design, is completely legitimate in this forum.
I found this small article after a quick Google search --
http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh/C...-in.3921441.jp
Will
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2nd April 08, 09:28 AM
#7
Thanks for the link, have posted a comment.
[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
(Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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2nd April 08, 09:34 PM
#8
I really like both tartans. They're quite different from each other, but both have a very nice look to them.
I wish I could see how those kilt pockets work in person though.
Mike
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4th April 08, 05:55 PM
#9
 Originally Posted by Scotus
Since Edinburgh Castle is a part of Historic Scotland, and the guides of Historic Scotland have traditionally worn the same corporate tartan, asking why a new tartan was necessary, especially since the old one is of a very pleasing design, is completely legitimate in this forum.
Why a new tartan was necessary or not is a question for those running the Castle. Corporation and other groups other change because they can or they may have seen a chance to get some publicity out of the new kilt to put in more tourist dollars. Maybe TFCK designed it on their own without the knowledge of the Historical Scotland group.
I see no problem with the original, in fact I like the tartan and think is should be worn as part of the Castle's history. But I don't think just because something is historical makes it better than something new or something new is better than historical just because it is new.
Change is hard to accept especially when it is hard to identify the need for the change.
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4th April 08, 07:16 PM
#10
 Originally Posted by cacunn
Why a new tartan was necessary or not is a question for those running the Castle. Corporation and other groups other change because they can or they may have seen a chance to get some publicity out of the new kilt to put in more tourist dollars. Maybe TFCK designed it on their own without the knowledge of the Historical Scotland group.
I see no problem with the original, in fact I like the tartan and think is should be worn as part of the Castle's history. But I don't think just because something is historical makes it better than something new or something new is better than historical just because it is new.
Change is hard to accept especially when it is hard to identify the need for the change.
I would echo Scotus comments; I see nothing wrong with a simple question as to why the new tartan was adopted.
I also agree with your last statement, which contradicts your first somewhat: without an answer as to why this tartan came about when HS already has a tartan, it is hard to explain the need for a change.
T.
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