Interesting Kilt/sporran "Badges"

[puffer]

Not unless you want to cut two "lug holes" in your apron. Most British military badges use either lugs or a "slider" (which also requires a hole) to fasten to the cap/hat/etc.

T.

You are correct, IF you want to retain the "original" mode of fastner. BUT, if not, then there is an EASY remidy.

1. Go to your craft store & look in the Jewelry section. ( Broaches & pin fastners ) Pick out what you want. go home, remove the existing fastner method & solder or braze your selection on. (note they do make a "liquid solder", it usually works, but sometimes it does not.

2. I have also used a LARGE safety pin & a safety pin type "kilt pin. ( you just need more solder )

Puffer

[macwilkin]

You are correct, IF you want to retain the "original" mode of fastner. BUT, if not, then there is an EASY remidy.

1. Go to your craft store & look in the Jewelry section. ( Broaches & pin fastners ) Pick out what you want. go home, remove the existing fastner method & solder or braze your selection on. (note they do make a "liquid solder", it usually works, but sometimes it does not.

2. I have also used a LARGE safety pin & a safety pin type "kilt pin. ( you just need more solder )

Puffer

Horses for courses...being a collector of militaria, I hate to modify items from their original state.

T.

[Highland Logan]

As a former military man, with 13 years in the Royal Canadian Artillery; my question is why would you want to display military badges that you have no connection to? In gentlemanly circles it would be considered extremely bad taste, and speaking as one who has served, to display these badges would not win many friends in the Canadian Forces. Collecting military memorabilia is one thing, but to wear it is to claim you earned it.

[Warlock]

Evil bay!

[Jock Scot]

As a former military man, with 13 years in the Royal Canadian Artillery; my question is why would you want to display military badges that you have no connection to? In gentlemanly circles it would be considered extremely bad taste, and speaking as one who has served, to display these badges would not win many friends in the Canadian Forces. Collecting military memorabilia is one thing, but to wear it is to claim you earned it.

Can I echo the above sentiments.Put the badges on show in a display case,by all means,but wear them?Please don't.

[puffer]

Can I echo the above sentiments.Put the badges on show in a display case,by all means,but wear them?Please don't.

Gentlemen, I CERTAINLY agree with your feelings in general. I also served my country in uniform ( "60 - 65" - ABN & SF ) BUT, IMHO opinion, there are 2 exceptions.
1. Wearing the "uniform" badges etc of a unit in the presentation of your persona as a historical re-en actor or presenter ( I wear the "generic Rifleman's badge as a part of my uniform ( capt. -Canadian Rifle (Militia) unit.in the "War of 1812" ( kilted)
2. Wearing a unit's badge because of ancestral heritage or to pay honor or recognition to these fine units.. Although I will not be wearing these ( they are for my collection) if someone did & made it clear as to why, I personally would have no problem. ( I do have a "connection to all but one of these)
3. I posted these because I thought there may be some who would be interested because of the above.

Puffer

[Jock Scot]

Gentlemen, I CERTAINLY agree with your feelings in general. I also served my country in uniform ( "60 - 65" - ABN & SF ) BUT, IMHO opinion, there are 2 exceptions.
1. Wearing the "uniform" badges etc of a unit in the presentation of your persona as a historical re-en actor or presenter ( I wear the "generic Rifleman's badge as a part of my uniform ( capt. -Canadian Rifle (Militia) unit.in the "War of 1812" ( kilted)
2. Wearing a unit's badge because of ancestral heritage or to pay honor or recognition to these fine units.. Although I will not be wearing these ( they are for my collection) if someone did & made it clear as to why, I personally would have no problem. ( I do have a "connection to all but one of these)
3. I posted these because I thought there may be some who would be interested because of the above.

Puffer

Hello Puffer,

I think that we have a problem of two "countries" having. different ways of doing things and I hope that you may understand the British and Commonwealth "armed forces" point of view.I will answer your points as you have raised them.

1. I don't think that after 200 years and as the unit that you are representing has been disbanded for umpteen (I am sorry I don't know)years I cannot see an objection to that.I can see before long a re-enacting team of the Machine Gun Corps arriving on the scene.It is a question of repecting the recent(100 years?)past and those that served and those families that lost a loved one.

2.When one leaves a unit,lets call it the Blankshires,you do not expect to wear the cap badge again,apart from perhaps rememberance day,the cap badge remains the privilidge of people still serving in the Blankshires.It does not make you any less a Blankshire,but a regimental tie and maybe a blazer badge is our way of doing things.Families of ex Blankshire's DO NOT wear cap badges ,regimental ties,blazer badges that they are not entitled to. It is regarded as a major lack of respect, firstly to those still serving in the unit and secondly,to those that have served and perhaps died whilst serving.It is our way.

I will give you an example of how strong and deep that feeling goes.This morning I asked my 2 step children aged 12(twins) about wearing Royal Air Force colours to remember their Great uncle who had been killed flying a Hurricane during the Battle of Britain(1940) .I am proud to say that their instant response was:"oh no,we are not entitled to wear that". Perhaps you understand now?

To sum up.History is important and if you wish to demonstate history by displaying the military side of things then well done.I think,from a UK and Commonwealth point of view, certainly wearing uniforms etc.of existing units you are on tricky ground,the wearing of disbanded units uniforms and giving a certain amount of time(100 years?) to repect the families who have lost loved ones is reasonable.You and others may think otherwise,and that is your right so to do.Please remember,as I am sure you do, that an awful lot of people have died and an awful lot of tears have been shed ,certainly in the last century,for you and me to have this free discussion.

Yours aye,
Jock.

[Jock Scot]

I have been chatting to my wife about,from our point of view,wearing cap badges,regimental ties etc., that we would not be entitled to wear,and the question of tartan came up.How odd!Anyway during the course of conversation we both decided that the Scots have no qualms in wearing Grandfather's Seaforth Highlanders kilt,for example,even if the grandson had never served in the armed forces.We put it down to good old Scots practicallity! No! We are not talking about careful here!Well, alright maybe,but who would turn down the opportunity to wear a first class kilt,certainly not a Highland Scot!

Time dims memories and I had forgotten that well into the 1960's some youngsters daily wore granfather's or Great Grandfather's military kilt to work.I can even recall being shown the bullet holes,beautifully repaired,in one kilt that had been worn on the Somme!

[puffer]

Hello Puffer,

I think that we have a problem of two "countries" having. different ways of doing things and I hope that you may understand the British and Commonwealth "armed forces" point of view.I will answer your points as you have raised them.

1. I don't think that after 200 years and as the unit that you are representing has been disbanded for umpteen (I am sorry I don't know)years I cannot see an objection to that.I can see before long a re-enacting team of the Machine Gun Corps arriving on the scene.It is a question of repecting the recent(100 years?)past and those that served and those families that lost a loved one.

2.When one leaves a unit,lets call it the Blankshires,you do not expect to wear the cap badge again,apart from perhaps rememberance day,the cap badge remains the privilidge of people still serving in the Blankshires.It does not make you any less a Blankshire,but a regimental tie and maybe a blazer badge is our way of doing things.Families of ex Blankshire's DO NOT wear cap badges ,regimental ties,blazer badges that they are not entitled to. It is regarded as a major lack of respect, firstly to those still serving in the unit and secondly,to those that have served and perhaps died whilst serving.It is our way.

I will give you an example of how strong and deep that feeling goes.This morning I asked my 2 step children aged 12(twins) about wearing Royal Air Force colours to remember their Great uncle who had been killed flying a Hurricane during the Battle of Britain(1940) .I am proud to say that their instant response was:"oh no,we are not entitled to wear that". Perhaps you understand now?

To sum up.History is important and if you wish to demonstate history by displaying the military side of things then well done.I think,from a UK and Commonwealth point of view, certainly wearing uniforms etc.of existing units you are on tricky ground,the wearing of disbanded units uniforms and giving a certain amount of time(100 years?) to repect the families who have lost loved ones is reasonable.You and others may think otherwise,and that is your right so to do.Please remember,as I am sure you do, that an awful lot of people have died and an awful lot of tears have been shed ,certainly in the last century,for you and me to have this free discussion.

Yours aye,
Jock.

Jock, I sincerely not only RESPECT what you have said, BUT I am honored that you took the time to explain.

Your explaination has helped me put some of my own "thoughts" in propesective. Respecting those who have (& are ) served their contries,the sacrifices they, their families, comrads, & friends, have given. is something we must always remember & hold dear.



You SIR are a GENTLEMAN, Thank you again for reminding me.

Jack ( Puffer )