Buccleuch kilt

**Ryan Nielson** · 10th July 08, 09:47 AM

This tartan pattern i'm slowly starting to like. It's a little offbeat right up my alley. I didn't like it at first but it's growing on me.

I couldn't find a pic of anyone wearing one on google. Does someone have a picture of what it looks like while worn.

I'm talking about the buccleuch on this page

http://www.usakilts.com/casual_kilts.php

Also why is the black and white buccleuch tartan have the same name as this and it is not a universal tartan?

Or to rephrase it better, why is buccleuch considered a universal tartan? seems it was associated with Scott name from what I've seen.

**RockyR** · 10th July 08, 03:09 PM

The Buccleuch we have is a fashion tartan designed by the mill.

One thing to note about it... it's a small sett, so it will look FINE on smaller guys, but a bit small on regular to big guys.

**Cat** · 17th July 08, 07:41 PM

I have a Big Country concert DVD and I believe one of them is wearing a VERY similar (if not identical) tartan. If I can find a picture, I'll post it so you can see how it looks.

**macwilkin** · 17th July 08, 08:10 PM

The Buccluech check was worn by the pipes and drums of 4th (Territorial) Battalion, King's Own Scottish Borderers Regiment.

Regards,

Todd

**sorcererdale** · 17th July 08, 08:27 PM

That was my first tartan kilt, just checked out one of the pictures of me, but it is very poor and blurry. I really like it, and I am sure there are others on here that have that tartan and have a good picture.

DALE.

**Morris at Heathfield** · 17th July 08, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Ryan Nielson

Also why is the black and white buccleuch tartan have the same name as this and it is not a universal tartan?

Or to rephrase it better, why is buccleuch considered a universal tartan? seems it was associated with Scott name from what I've seen.

The Dukes of Buccleuch are Scotts. Also, the "Buccleuch" surname is regarded as a sept of the Scotts. There is a Buccleuch family tartan, ITI #1505. It is mostly red and dates to 1831.

There is also a Buccleuch tartan, ITI #647. This is the black and white tartan you mentioned, and also the tartan worn by the pipers of the Scottish Borderers, as cajunscot mentioned. It is also associated with the Haig family, due to a Haig who served as an officer in the regiment. I am not certain what the connection to the Dukes of Buccleuch is, if there is any.

Then there is the green and brown tartan designed, I presume, by Marton Mills. It is a fashion tartan, as Rocky mentioned, and is probably only named "Buccleuch" because the name struck the designer's fancy for some reason. Likewise, there is a "Prince of Wales" tartan, which is simply a fashion tartan that some clever marketer decided to name after the title held by the heir apparent to the Monarchy. Of course, this is just history repeating itself, as a great many of the commonly accepted clan and district tartans have similar origins.

**Riverkilt** · 17th July 08, 10:05 PM

The USA Kilts casual in the fashion version. Small sett on a fat guy.

Hope that's helpful

Ron

**macwilkin** · 18th July 08, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Morris of Heathfield

There is also a Buccleuch tartan, ITI #647. This is the black and white tartan you mentioned, and also the tartan worn by the pipers of the Scottish Borderers, as cajunscot mentioned. It is also associated with the Haig family, due to a Haig who served as an officer in the regiment. I am not certain what the connection to the Dukes of Buccleuch is, if there is any.

See my post above, Morris. The check was worn only by one territorial battalion of the KOSB; the Leslie tartan is traditionally associated with the regiment.

If I remember correctly, the Haig in question would be Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig. Since the KOSBs were a Border regiment, that would be the connection to the Dukes of Buccleuch.

T.

**Morris at Heathfield** · 18th July 08, 01:59 PM

You're right: the 4th Battalion. According to the House of Tartan's Tartan Finder, it was used for the pipers' plaids. (The drummers' also, I would presume.) The regular soldiers of the regiment wore Leslie tartan trews.

I believe you're right about it being Sir Douglas Haig who adopted the tartan for the Haig family. The Buccleuch Check tartan descriptions mention Earl Haig, and there have only been two Earls Haig so far, the first much more well-known than the second. Sir Douglas Haig was an honorary colonel of the regiment (or the battalion, if the tartan descriptions are correct).

**macwilkin** · 18th July 08, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Morris of Heathfield

You're right: the 4th Battalion. According to the House of Tartan's Tartan Finder, it was used for the pipers' plaids. (The drummers' also, I would presume.) The regular soldiers of the regiment wore Leslie tartan trews.

I believe you're right about it being Sir Douglas Haig who adopted the tartan for the Haig family. The Buccleuch Check tartan descriptions mention Earl Haig, and there have only been two Earls Haig so far, the first much more well-known than the second. Sir Douglas Haig was an honorary colonel of the regiment (or the battalion, if the tartan descriptions are correct).

There is a drawing on the cover of the book The British Army, 1939-45 (European Theatre) by Osprey that shows a piper from the 4th Bn., KOSB wearing a Buccleuch Check kilt -- it's covered by a kilt apron, but the artist included a "wee peak" of one of the pleats. The piper's bag for his pipes are in the check as well.

Can you tell I'm a military historian?

T.