Buccleuch kilt

[Morris at Heathfield]

Also why is the black and white buccleuch tartan have the same name as this and it is not a universal tartan?

Or to rephrase it better, why is buccleuch considered a universal tartan? seems it was associated with Scott name from what I've seen.

The Dukes of Buccleuch are Scotts. Also, the "Buccleuch" surname is regarded as a sept of the Scotts. There is a Buccleuch family tartan, ITI #1505. It is mostly red and dates to 1831.

There is also a Buccleuch tartan, ITI #647. This is the black and white tartan you mentioned, and also the tartan worn by the pipers of the Scottish Borderers, as cajunscot mentioned. It is also associated with the Haig family, due to a Haig who served as an officer in the regiment. I am not certain what the connection to the Dukes of Buccleuch is, if there is any.

Then there is the green and brown tartan designed, I presume, by Marton Mills. It is a fashion tartan, as Rocky mentioned, and is probably only named "Buccleuch" because the name struck the designer's fancy for some reason. Likewise, there is a "Prince of Wales" tartan, which is simply a fashion tartan that some clever marketer decided to name after the title held by the heir apparent to the Monarchy. Of course, this is just history repeating itself, as a great many of the commonly accepted clan and district tartans have similar origins.

[Riverkilt]

The USA Kilts casual in the fashion version. Small sett on a fat guy.


Hope that's helpful

Ron

[Ryan Nielson]

The USA Kilts casual in the fashion version. Small sett on a fat guy.


Hope that's helpful

Ron

Not sure what you guys mean by sett. is that referring to size of the square on the pattern? I think it looks good on you. I'm about 240lbs. 5'10" and about a 38 waist. I'm still torn between this one or the american heritage. I like how they pleat the american heritage so the white lines pop out perfectly in the back. But I like that green and brown combo in buccleuch.

[macwilkin]

There is also a Buccleuch tartan, ITI #647. This is the black and white tartan you mentioned, and also the tartan worn by the pipers of the Scottish Borderers, as cajunscot mentioned. It is also associated with the Haig family, due to a Haig who served as an officer in the regiment. I am not certain what the connection to the Dukes of Buccleuch is, if there is any.

See my post above, Morris. The check was worn only by one territorial battalion of the KOSB; the Leslie tartan is traditionally associated with the regiment.

If I remember correctly, the Haig in question would be Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig. Since the KOSBs were a Border regiment, that would be the connection to the Dukes of Buccleuch.

T.

[Morris at Heathfield]

You're right: the 4th Battalion. According to the House of Tartan's Tartan Finder, it was used for the pipers' plaids. (The drummers' also, I would presume.) The regular soldiers of the regiment wore Leslie tartan trews.

I believe you're right about it being Sir Douglas Haig who adopted the tartan for the Haig family. The Buccleuch Check tartan descriptions mention Earl Haig, and there have only been two Earls Haig so far, the first much more well-known than the second. Sir Douglas Haig was an honorary colonel of the regiment (or the battalion, if the tartan descriptions are correct).

[macwilkin]

You're right: the 4th Battalion. According to the House of Tartan's Tartan Finder, it was used for the pipers' plaids. (The drummers' also, I would presume.) The regular soldiers of the regiment wore Leslie tartan trews.

I believe you're right about it being Sir Douglas Haig who adopted the tartan for the Haig family. The Buccleuch Check tartan descriptions mention Earl Haig, and there have only been two Earls Haig so far, the first much more well-known than the second. Sir Douglas Haig was an honorary colonel of the regiment (or the battalion, if the tartan descriptions are correct).

There is a drawing on the cover of the book The British Army, 1939-45 (European Theatre) by Osprey that shows a piper from the 4th Bn., KOSB wearing a Buccleuch Check kilt -- it's covered by a kilt apron, but the artist included a "wee peak" of one of the pleats. The piper's bag for his pipes are in the check as well.

Can you tell I'm a military historian?

T.

[Morris at Heathfield]

Yes, I've noticed. I know more about tartan in general than about the uniforms of the various Scottish regiments, but I'm beginning to learn more. I have one military history book on uniforms of the First World War; the rest are mostly about aircraft.

Regarding the drawing you mentioned, do you know if it's based on a photograph (or photographs)?

And, to make a totally transparent effort to refer back to the topic of the original post, I wonder if the Marton Mills Buccleuch tartan would make a nice camouflage tartan—maybe if it didn't have that white stripe? Some years back I designed a "camouflage" tartan I called "Polygon Wood". It was essentially the same as the Brown Watch, of which I was unaware at the time.

[kmaclea]

And, to make a totally transparent effort to refer back to the topic of the original post, I wonder if the Marton Mills Buccleuch tartan would make a nice camouflage tartan—maybe if it didn't have that white stripe?

One of the reasons I ordered my own Buccleuch back in June was because of the green and brown "woodland" colors. Not seeking to have a specifically "camo" effect, but I *was* looking to have a general use tartan kilt that I could use in the woods for light hiking, as well as more formal events. I thought the Buccleuch really fit the bill!

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