Rich collector alert: antique Scottish shotgun

[Howard Clark]

It is remarkably inexpensive, given it's condition and age, and what it is. You are looking at many, many hours of someone's life there, likely more than one individual.

I always look at stuff like this in terms of hours, not money. It is cheap. The same gun, built to the same standard, today, would be much, much, more money.

[Mipi]

It is remarkably inexpensive, given it's condition and age, ...

Maybe, we should be careful regarding age???

[David Thornton]

This is my every day shotgun. It is a 1909 Charles Ingram, and according to company records was a high grade custom piece. I have turned down many offers for this piece. So, old guns, properly vetted can and should be used.

A lot of modern shooters shot damascus barrels, with appropriate loads. By that I mean loads that generate less than 5000 pounds of chamber pressure, so no modern stuff. My concern here would be the bore. If it was proofed as a 12 gauge, but measures as a loose 11 gauge, some internal metal may have been removed by honing or polishing. Simply, it may be out of proof and that would mean no safe firing. But, if the wall thickness is adequate, there is no reason to be afraid to shoot appropriate loads.

David

[katmills2005]

Wow... that is a truly exceptional shot gun.

[Woodsheal]

It's a true 11 gauge, I'm guessing, because that was a very common bore size in Great Britain in those days. 11 ga. is .75 calibre, the bore size of the famous "Brown Bess" muskets. Gunsmiths would've been quite used to turning out barrels in that caliber.

This gun, in such great shape, would be very safe to shoot with black-powder loads. (Of course you shouldn't use smokeless powder in even modern reproduction muzzle-loaders!)

[auld argonian]

I only bring up the idea that it might never be fired again because it has become a collector's item...as the price goes up, the odds that someone wants to risk their investment by actually using it for the purpose for which it was intended become pretty considerable.

It'd be like taking batting practice with a Lou Gehrig autographed ball...it might survive but...

Hey...I take my "action figures" out of the plastic and play with them...much to my son's dismay. They're my toys and I can do what I want with them and the same would go for whoever plunks down the samoleons for that fowling piece.

Best

AA

[Birddog]

Thanks for that info, David. I own a replica Sharps, and had familiarized myself with black powder cartridge rifles, modern and antique, but didn't know for sure about the shotguns. And that is a beautiful shotgun you have!

A lot of modern shooters shot damascus barrels, with appropriate loads. By that I mean loads that generate less than 5000 pounds of chamber pressure, so no modern stuff. My concern here would be the bore. If it was proofed as a 12 gauge, but measures as a loose 11 gauge, some internal metal may have been removed by honing or polishing. Simply, it may be out of proof and that would mean no safe firing. But, if the wall thickness is adequate, there is no reason to be afraid to shoot appropriate loads.

David

[Jock Scot]

The interesting thing to note on this shotgun is that the particulars state quite clearly that this work of art carries "English Proof marks". Interesting?Too right it is! No British guns had proof marks in 1840(I think), therefore, either someone wanted the gun "proofed" so that it could be legally sold as a "shooter" in the UK,or they wanted to shoot it themselves and wanted the reassurance of "proofing" before they used it.

Ok we have an "old lady" here and as such she should be treated with respect, but if the proof marks are genuine,no reason to suppose they are not, other than it is unusual for a gun of that age to be "proofed" later on in its life, I would think nothing of firing it with modest black powder loads.In fact ,oh yes please!