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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Daw View Post
    Aren't you glad you don't work for a large, stuffy bank?
    Yeah, I sure a.... Heyyyyy, wait a minute! I DO work for one of those!

    Good luck with that,
    Rex.
    At any moment you must be prepared to give up who you are today for who you could become tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex_Tremende View Post
    Yeah, I sure a.... Heyyyyy, wait a minute! I DO work for one of those!

    Good luck with that,
    Rex.
    But, you've wear the kilt to work? Are you in the back?

    BTW, I love Graeter's Ice Cream and Skyline chili! I've been to Cincinnati.
    Last edited by Jack Daw; 28th August 08 at 04:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Daw View Post
    But, you've wear the kilt to work? Are you in the back?
    Well, yes and no. Yes, I'm in the back office, but no, my role is visible to hundreds of people and highly exposed to senior executives. Yes and no, I've worn a kilt in front of colleagues but never at the office during working hours. I've been seen more than once out and about in Cincinnati by coworkers, worn a kilt to an off-site meeting, to an all-employee holiday party and to a more intimate office party, had a life-sized poster of me in a kilt put on full display outside my own office near the COO executive suite, have discussed my interest in kilts with senior HR staff, but wearing a kilt on the job is not something I'm interested in pursuing right now.

    I think the thing to remember about stuffy banks is that they don't like to be surprised, and they don't deal well with non-conformity. Or rather - and let me go a bit out on a limb here by saying - they don't deal well with reactions to non-conformity. On the other hand, many financial institutions these days are starting to recognize the value of diversity. In order to compete in the marketplace, they need to appeal to a broad swath of the cultural collage, not only among potential customers, but also in talent. As a consequence, they've had to loosen their grip on long-cherished notions and policies on what a bank looks like, externally and internally.

    I don't know about your financial institution, but in this particular time of economic stress my employer has shifted a good deal of its relentless focus on shareholder value to its employees, a hunkering down, if you will, to ensure that we have the talent available to weather the storm and also be ready to go when it passes. That's why a catchphrase like "employee engagement" is more than mere lip service where I work.

    I think you're working the right angles - do something important for me, and I'll do something important for you - but remember that your bank probably considers charity something you do "willingly" - not at all coerced - especially if the campaign involves the letters U and W. But they are probably quick enough to realize that if they open the door for this, you'll want to do it more often, so if you're really trying to get the corporate blessing on the kilt as casual wear, I'd suggest you try and separate the issues.

    I'd discuss what it means to you (apart from a reward for charitable contributions), show them representative photos of how you'd dress, and help them formulate responses to objections that will inevitably trickle up. Help them see how respecting diversity in all its forms is good for the company. Acknowledge the limits that corporate life requires, but help them see how what you want to do is well within those limits. Start building influential allies who are probably outside your organizational structure, but who are willing and can stand with you on the issues that are important to you.

    Finally, or perhaps first, make sure your work outputs are unassailable. Yeah, it's unfair, but you can't allow a crack in your performance on the job be reason for your management to crumble your case. It goes back to that quid-pro-quo I mentioned above - something good for me, something good for you. If you're already providing something really good, it makes it much easier for them to return the favor.

    Let us know how it goes,
    Rex.
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    Where I work, the men's dress code specifies that your shirt must have a collar and you have to wear smart trousers, and the rules for casual Friday, for both genders, only add the option to wear jeans and/or athletic shoes. It's not the strictest set of rules I've had to work under, but it doesn't provide for men wearing anything below the waist that doesn't have two legs in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex_Tremende View Post
    Yeah, I sure a.... Heyyyyy, wait a minute! I DO work for one of those!

    Good luck with that,
    Rex.
    It's OK Rex. At least it's a locally owned bank. Hey, i bank there.

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    Kilt "Hose" at work

    I was joking with my senior manager about wearing a kilt to work one day. Joking because I work for a consulting company, and it would be inappropriate to draw attention away from our message and to how I am dressed. We decided that, since our company dress code requires a suit when "client facing", a nice tweed kilt with a matching jacket would be perfectly acceptable according to the strict wording of the dress code. However, he pointed out, the code requires that "with any outfit with a skirt-type lower half, hose must be worn, and the hose tops should not be visible." So he said fine, as long as I wore thigh highs or panty hose. The company is actually very accepting, and I have worn a kilt to company holiday parties, picnics, etc, with nothing but positive comment.

    Geoff Withnell
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    "My comrades, they did never yield, for courage knows no bounds."
    No longer subject to reveille US Marine.

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    Just to keep things in prospective, remember that woman had a movement. There were woman's groups all over the western world since the early 1900's trying to get more rights for woman, and during the 40's the shift started to move toward pants in the work place. If you worked in a bank in the 50's and most of the employees were woman and most of them wanted to ware pants, and even some of this number belonged to groups that held rallies on the rights of woman, it's really hard to compare that to the one lone guy in an office wanting to wear his kilt at work. We all like democracy, and democracy is all about the majority. But in a democracy, even the needs and wants of the minority need to be considered. This is done to ensure that all get basic human rights. However some minorities are just to small to ever be recognized, especially if the basic human rights are being covered. If only 1 out of 200 000 people wears a kilt, and only 1 in 1 000 000 would like to wear it at work, well you do the math. Most people see a kilt as a special garment worn only at special events, and most if even educated (even with some of the questionable facts I often see on the board) well not change their mind. Remember folks, "he who pays the piper, calls the tune". We may not always like how things are done, especially in regards to ourselves, but at the end of the day, that's life.. so carry on. For those who are able to wear their kilt at work, that's great... for those that can't.. think hard about your actions before you appear to your boss like a spoiled child pleading for a new toy.

    Frank

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